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Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure
(10-06-2018, 02:54 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(10-05-2018, 11:10 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: The obsession which you reds, Classic Xer, have, is entirely due to brainwashing. Taxes were not a big concern until Reagan, Prop 13, etc., the sleepening that happened near the end of the last Awakening 2T. That's ALL it is. It's neo-liberalism, libertarian economics, supply side, whatever you call it; it is nothing but BULLSHIT. YOu are brainwashed into thinking you should not have to pay taxes, because government is the problem, taxes are theft, taxes are coercion, job creaters create jobs, yadda yadda yadda, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit. And it's is the main cause of all our problems today in the USA. And you Gen Xers grew up knowing nothing better than what the charming actor and his successors and followers have told you
Brainwashed? That's funny. A brainwashed left winger accusing me of being brainwashed is funny.         First of all, I'm not a young Libertarian voter or a clueless anarchist of some sort that you became accustomed to tangling with on a regular basis. I'm a real life middle aged American who has paid lots of  taxes. Right now, you are stupid for not being able to figure that out, stupid for not being able to accept that as being me and stupid for trying to convert me to socialism and for trying to convince me that socialism would be better for all of us than capitalism has been for most us. I'm telling you that the best you can hope for is a socialist system for blues and a capitalist system for reds with a national border existing between them and separate  currencies.

I would not say the word 'brainwashed' is appropriate.  That to me conjures the image of a bunch of true 20th century fascists with sensory depravation tanks, or however it is that evangelicals confronting homosexuals do it today.  Attempting to coerce people into thinking another way is not happening here.

What is happening is that both sides cling their perspective as uniquely true, and both sides will cling absurdly to their parodies of how the other thinks.  Both sides have world views, and will habitually reject the other side's, will demonize, will make no attempt to understand.

Now I have my own slants.  I lean blue.  I will see the arrow of progress pointing in one direction.  I see a rejection of science by the reds.  I am seeing in the Southern Strategy a clinging to prejudice, a staying away from the Enlightenment idea that all men are created equal.  I am seeing an identification with the way things have always been, a rejection of new perspectives.  I am seeing in part a classic Marxist class conflict, with people identifying with their own class and seeking to maintain or alleviate their own perceived interest.  I am seeing a good deal of self interest, that it is to ones perceived advantage to cling to the way things have always been done.

So I know how things are going to come down in the end, assuming the progressive bias of the Industrial Age will continue to hold in the coming age.  That is not obviously true.  My arrow of progress was a thing of the Industrial Age, of the Enlightenment.  The elites may have learned a thing of two of to reverse it.  I am counting on old prejudices being released, in people seeing the new problems.

What I am not seeing is irrationality, of people clinging to things other than how things have always been.  The elites may have no need to overturn an older group of elites, to make promises to the People.  Cultures attempt to perpetuate how they have been.  They resist change, attempts to deal with serious problems, if only by claiming the problems don't exist.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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RE: Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure - by Bob Butler 54 - 10-07-2018, 11:53 AM

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