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Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure
(10-07-2018, 11:53 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I would not say the word 'brainwashed' is appropriate.  That to me conjures the image of a bunch of true 20th century fascists with sensory depravation tanks, or however it is that evangelicals confronting homosexuals do it today.  Attempting to coerce people into thinking another way is not happening here.

What is happening is that both sides cling their perspective as uniquely true, and both sides will cling absurdly to their parodies of how the other thinks.  Both sides have world views, and will habitually reject the other side's, will demonize, will make no attempt to understand.

Now I have my own slants.  I lean blue.  I will see the arrow of progress pointing in one direction.  I see a rejection of science by the reds.  I am seeing in the Southern Strategy a clinging to prejudice, a staying away from the Enlightenment idea that all men are created equal.  I am seeing an identification with the way things have always been, a rejection of new perspectives.  I am seeing in part a classic Marxist class conflict, with people identifying with their own class and seeking to maintain or alleviate their own perceived interest.  I am seeing a good deal of self interest, that it is to ones perceived advantage to cling to the way things have always been done.

So I know how things are going to come down in the end, assuming the progressive bias of the Industrial Age will continue to hold in the coming age.  That is not obviously true.  My arrow of progress was a thing of the Industrial Age, of the Enlightenment.  The elites may have learned a thing of two of to reverse it.  I am counting on old prejudices being released, in people seeing the new problems.

What I am not seeing is irrationality, of people clinging to things other than how things have always been.  The elites may have no need to overturn an older group of elites, to make promises to the People.  Cultures attempt to perpetuate how they have been.  They resist change, attempts to deal with serious problems, if only by claiming the problems don't exist.
I don't reject science or education. I don't worship it. I don't view it as being the all mighty or a guiding force of mankind or morality. I don't view it as the governing body that has the power to dictate, determine the course of action and decides what gets eliminated or drastically changed and determines the means and determines the instruments that will be used to enforce its laws that get imposed to address issues relating to lives of people and all of  mankind either.

So, you can say what you want to say about reds based on limited knowledge or the limited knowledge that most blues today seem to have of the reds these days but when you do that you shouldn't be offended or upset when the majority of them reject you or your ignorant/arrogant view of them or the blues worldview. I find it funny that I have teach the blues about the values that the vast majority have that aren't for sale or negotiable. Right now, you're being painted as a nasty left wing party by a large group of US citizens who are most likely more powerful, more believable and more persuasive than any blue could ever hope to be or seem to be in real life. If greater Minnesota decides its time to show up, if blue collar Democratic Minnesota decides it time to return to the basics and opt to stay home or switch sides, you can kiss a couple of Democratic bitches who seems place more value on their vagina's, people with vagina's than they place on the use of their brains and other voters who are now judging them on their use of them good bye. The blues have a serious problem. The Democrat who are closely affiliated and financially attached to them have a serious problem too. I'm reddish as you say.
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RE: Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure - by Classic-Xer - 10-08-2018, 02:35 AM

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