10-10-2018, 02:43 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-10-2018, 03:10 AM by Bob Butler 54.)
(10-09-2018, 02:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Possession and use of firearms is imposition of violence on the people, and support for the arms industry. It hasn't the slightest thing to do with any human rights, and only American conservatives think it does. The second amendment was put in place so that southerners would have arms to suppress a slave rebellion.
Oh? I am a conservative now? I think that many have owned firearms and have not committed what I consider an act of violence? While slaves were one reason the Second was put in place, it is my opinion that there are many other well documented reasons? These do not go away by your ignoring them?
I realize that you erase comprehension of ideas incompatible with your world view. You are an extremist. Not all do, but erasure is common enough. However, the above post is as clear an illustration of not being able to comprehend opposing thought as I have seen.
In the early days of the Industrial Age, when the enemy was the Agricultural Age nobility with hereditary privilege, they glorified violence more. The Second Amendment was recognized widely as acknowledging right on which all others were based. Civil Wars and Revolutions drove the S&H cycles. Violence was seen as necessary, was quite conceivably necessary, to overthrow the Agricultural Age norm of autocracy.
Now we have a modern blue set of values that would degrade the meaning and importance of the old values, but a good many people recognize the old values with the usual intensity of a values divide question.
But you should really make a genuine attempt to understand the old values. It seems you really are incapable of understanding opinions that conflict with your own. The word 'obtuse' is not used lightly, but is quite apt, not that those who use it are not just as obtuse in other ways.
(10-09-2018, 02:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Oh and btw, this IS a second amendment thread. It's back on topic
Well, I guess we can still agree on some things.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.