10-11-2018, 06:59 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2018, 07:06 PM by Eric the Green.)
(10-11-2018, 05:48 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(10-11-2018, 05:04 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: Words can be cleverly used to confuse, as Galen did when he said I admitted that the boomers screwed up everything. You say that we agree on the dislike of the establishments. Unfortunately, the establishment that I dislike, is the one he likes, and the establishment he dislikes, is the one I like. It is just Dem vs Rep per se. Oh well, nice try.
I do try.
(10-11-2018, 05:04 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: But this is a 4T and conflicts will only be resolved with a fight and a victory by one side or the other. His side is winning for now. We'll see. It will be 10 years before it's over, and it may not even be over then (but pretty well-decided).
Again, we may be seeing a new age. 4T conflicts may be an Industrial Age thing. Democracy in some cultures has so much replaced war as a way of settling divides that we could well see something like the Consciousness Revolution settle what used to be settled by war. Remember September 11th, when Republican and Democratic politicians paired up and loudly proclaimed that violence was not the way to settle political differences? In this case extremists looking for war without bothering to check the spiral of violence will just look silly, or be ignored as extremists generally are. There is an assumption that a total flip of the see saw is just a presidential election or two away. Why go extreme if that is true?
I am puzzled by this post. After Sept. 11, politicians and pundits pressed for war, and then we went to war, and then went to war in another country too just for good measure, even though it had nothing to do with Sept. 11. Violence was the way to settle our political differences with those Asian countries. And it still continues.
Right now, we are headed toward a violent civil war, because the extreme right wing has used mostly-legal but unfair tactics to seize power in a country in which they are not the majority, and are ruthless in their methods. They just prohibited Native Americans from voting in North Dakota because they don't have a residence address, thus helping the extremists to hold power in the senate right after placing another extremist on the Supreme Court who will take away our rights, except the right to blow people away with guns. This will arouse more people on the left to act out violently, because there is no democratic way to get any justice or progress for the people.
And there are similar problems in other countries. It may end up as a milder 4T, as it has been so far, but right now it looks like another violent and severe 4T is on the horizon. As you know, we are 1850s redux, and civil war had not broken out yet in 1854 either, but that's where we are. And even if this 4T is not too violent, it is still a conflict as I said, and will be won politically by one side or the other, not end in a compromise which settles divides. We are too far divided for us to settle our disputes without political conflict. The people will have to wake up and fight back in this 4T, or they lose this country forever.
You don't get dibs on the term new age. There will be no new age without the new age movement that brings back spirit into our consciousness, instead of leaving us in a Newtonian and Darwinian world based on the kind of mechanical causation concepts that gave us the industrial age. Only higher consciousness can really bring us into a new age beyond the industrial one.
And as you point out, this isn't even a conflict between those in the industrial and post-industrial ages, because our right-wing opponents are still in the Agricultural Age.