Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

[Bob Butler 54]

(11-05-2018, 02:53 AM)Galen Wrote: I am not opposed to free speech but the liberals and progressive currently are hostile to free speech.  The left these days label anything that someone says that they don't like as hate speech.

Rights have never guaranteed an ability to harm others.  What some libertarians call the right of free speech violates this principle.  They must want to harm others, which makes many reject their approach.  Government providing enforcement of rights is accepted.

(11-05-2018, 02:53 AM)Galen Wrote: It is not the job of the government to take from one group of people and give to another.  It wrong for an individual to do this and it is wrong for a group of people including a group called the government or the state.  Initiating force even to do something good is still wrong because it is a violation of the non-aggression principle.  This is why libertarians oppose the welfare state.  Just because the theft occurs at the hands of the state does not make theft any less wrong.

It is correct to acquire services through taxation given the bulk of the  people are willing to pay and everyone is represented.  Proverbially, taxes along with death are considered inevitable.  Many people are fine with this, which is why libertarians struggle.

We keep coming back to these same points, the eagerness to harm others, and the unwillingness to pay for the community.  These days, it is possible with computer networks to correct the latter, to pay taxes only for services sought and approved of.  If you would care to seek that, it could be done, but you don't seem eager to take that path.  

If you are just hostile and greedy, there is little more to be said.  You will remain in a tiny fringe minority.