Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

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(11-15-2018, 11:57 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-15-2018, 04:50 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-15-2018, 03:16 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(11-14-2018, 03:37 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-14-2018, 02:13 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: It is a plain fact that Democrats lower the deficit while Republicans increase it. Republicans talk about reducing the debt; then explode it with military spending and tax breaks for those who don't need them on the basis of the false trickle-down theory. It is also a fact the Democrats are in favor of raising taxes to pay for social programs, and Republicans want to increase the deficit so that money won't be spent on those social programs.

The insurance is indeed available to all of us, when it's needed. Admittedly there are still problems with the welfare system, as when incentive to work is taken away when benefits are taken away due to finding employment. But welfare has been so greatly reduced since Reagan and Clinton/Gingrich, that it is now just a scapegoat used as a slogan to persuade heartland folks like you to vote Republican.

The Republicans are dedicated to lowering health care costs paid for by the government payment system, and the effect of this in years past has always been for health care costs paid by everyone to raise through the ceiling. That's why reform was finally attempted in 2009. Only a government run payment program and the large pool of patients that it provides can keep costs down for everyone. If Obamacare raised your costs, it's because the reform didn't go far enough because moderate Democrats like those you could support watered down the reforms in 2009.

I don't claim to know for sure whether the seats that flipped Democratic in 2018 will flip back. The majority were in blue and purple states, so there won't be that many which flip back. As gerrymandering is reduced and the people choose their politicians instead of the reverse, Democrats will gain a lot of seats like they did in CA, AZ and PA when this was done. Whether the Democrats win the presidency in 2020 will depend on whether the Democrats can avoid choosing a loser, but which at the moment they seem intent on doing. I have described this a lot here already. Coattail effects could happen in the congressional elections.

Were the seats in bluer areas or redder areas? ....

I posted the stats on this in the Election 2018 thread, at least regarding how many districts flipped in which colored states. 

Several seats flipped in CA that were on the edge of blue urban/suburban areas. This was true nationwide, according to reports; many suburban college-educated districts flipped blue. In red states, between 6 and 8 urban and suburban areas flipped blue. In Texas, a mostly-rural district with border-with-Mexico towns is still barely Republican pending a recount, and hasn't been called. Two other suburban districts there flipped. In Georgia one suburban Atlanta district flipped that had held on in a recent special election, and another one there is not called yet in which a Republican is leading by 100 votes. In Florida, two districts flipped in the extreme south of the state. In PA, 4 seats flipped blue and one red because gerrymandering ended and the voters could choose their politicians instead of Republican politicians choosing their voters. Iowa flipped two seats, Virginia 3 and New Jersey 4. In your state, two seats flipped to red (one in the "mining area") and two to blue.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the entire state of California ends up blue. But then again, I'm not going to be surprised when California implodes either and California ends up like Yugoslavia. We need a failed American state that we can effectively use as an example during the 4T. As far as I can see, you're on track to be that state. Right now, you're state is down there with the lowly red state of Mississippi. So, the Democratic gerrymandering that took place in PA worked in the Democrats favor as it was expected. Come on, gerrymandering ain't all that bad as long as it works in the Democrat's favor. How is the Democratic law breaking going in Florida? You have to admit, law breaking ain't all that bad as long as it works in the Democrats favor. Yeah, that's the kind of party that I want to be part of someday. Actually, that's the kind of party, I WANT TO DESTROY.

California still has problems. There is still pollution in SoCal, and lack of affordable housing on the coast and homeless people there. Lots of immigrants are hard to educate. But our state government is in the black now, and so are most cities, thanks to high property values and taxes and Gov. Brown's tax increase initiative which the voters passed. Global warming is causing disasters here as everywhere else. Our legislature has a blue supermajority and a blue governor. Still, sometimes they succumb to corporate lobbies and do the wrong things. Paradise is burning; CA is not paradise. CA also still has a heritage left over from not-that-many years ago of Republican mis-rule. But I'm fairly confident that CA will often do the right things. CA doesn't always like to pay high taxes though, so free spending by politicians might not go over here, as it didn't in 2003.

Gerrymandering was practiced by both parties in the past, although the GOP took it to unprecedented levels in 2011, but the new reforms are not gerrymandering. Red voters can only see from their own perspective, and what's good for themselves individually. They can't see beyond their nose, and yet are confident they are right. They are hooked on their party and their ideologies, probably beyond all hope, as you seem to be. Otherwise, you could tell a reform from a partisan gerrymander, and a legal recount from law-breaking, but you can't. CA has at least 3/4 Democratic representatives in congress now, and Pennsylvania is back to majority blue, because the voters voted for this. Former red state AZ has a blue majority in congress now (and a blue senator) after gerrymandering was outlawed there too. The more gerrymandering is removed in blue and purple states and many red states, and districting by politicians is replaced with independent commissions, the more Democratic their representatives will be. At least for a while. It has taken a strong majority vote nationally in order for Democrats to make any gains. Once reforms are in place, the national vote will be more reflective of the strength of the parties in congress.

Dude, I actually was looking it at both ways or looking at it objectively. You forget, I'm not a Republican or a political activist or someone connected with the conservative movement. I'm a independent voter who tends to vote Republican these days. OK, let me get this straight, when the Republicans gerrymander districts in their favor it's gerrymandering which is bad. But, when the Democrats of Pennsylvania do it, it's reform which ain't bad or the same thing in your opinion and the opinion of most Democrats. OK. You're either stupid for taking that position with me or you're stupid for thinking I'm not smart enough to view that as bullshit. I don't like you Eric and you better pray that I'm not the one who you are reliant upon to survive. PB has an excuse for his issue with reasoning and his inability to recognize obvious signs the he should pick up when communicating with another human of equal or greater standing when it comes to knowledge and ACTUAL use of intelligence.