Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

[Eric the Green]

(11-16-2018, 01:47 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(11-15-2018, 11:57 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: California still has problems. There is still pollution in SoCal, and lack of affordable housing on the coast and homeless people there. Lots of immigrants are hard to educate. But our state government is in the black now, and so are most cities, thanks to high property values and taxes and Gov. Brown's tax increase initiative which the voters passed. Global warming is causing disasters here as everywhere else. Our legislature has a blue supermajority and a blue governor. Still, sometimes they succumb to corporate lobbies and do the wrong things. Paradise is burning; CA is not paradise. CA also still has a heritage left over from not-that-many years ago of Republican mis-rule. But I'm fairly confident that CA will often do the right things. CA doesn't always like to pay high taxes though, so free spending by politicians might not go over here, as it didn't in 2003.

Gerrymandering was practiced by both parties in the past, although the GOP took it to unprecedented levels in 2011, but the new reforms are not gerrymandering. Red voters can only see from their own perspective, and what's good for themselves individually. They can't see beyond their nose, and yet are confident they are right. They are hooked on their party and their ideologies, probably beyond all hope, as you seem to be. Otherwise, you could tell a reform from a partisan gerrymander, and a legal recount from law-breaking, but you can't. CA has at least 3/4 Democratic representatives in congress now, and Pennsylvania is back to majority blue, because the voters voted for this. Former red state AZ has a blue majority in congress now (and a blue senator) after gerrymandering was outlawed there too. The more gerrymandering is removed in blue and purple states and many red states, and districting by politicians is replaced with independent commissions, the more Democratic their representatives will be. At least for a while. It has taken a strong majority vote nationally in order for Democrats to make any gains. Once reforms are in place, the national vote will be more reflective of the strength of the parties in congress.

Dude, I actually was looking it at both ways or looking at it objectively and taking both perspectives into account. You forget, I'm not a Republican or a political activist or someone connected with the conservative movement. I'm a independent voter who tends to vote Republican these days. OK, let me get this straight, when the Republicans gerrymander districts in their favor it's gerrymandering which is bad. But, when the Democrats of Pennsylvania do it, it's reform which ain't bad or the same thing in your opinion and the opinion of most Democrats. OK. You're either stupid for taking that position with me or you're stupid for thinking I'm not smart enough to view it as bullshit. I don't like you Eric and you better pray that I'm not the one who you find yourself  reliant upon for survive. PB has an excuse for his issue with lack of reasoning and his inability to recognize obvious signs the he should pick up on when communicating with another human of equal or greater standing when it comes to knowledge and ACTUAL use of intelligence and common sense.

How do we get the blues into one boat? We allow the blues to continue what their doing in their areas and gradually begin changing laws/ ignoring federal laws in our areas and leave it to nature to take it's coarse. I agree, California almost all blue these days. I saw that a Democratic Senator defeated her Democratic opponent and kept the seat in the hands of the Democratic Party. Tell her good job. How long do you think it will be before New York and the northeast are the same way as California with Democrats running against Democrats for Senate seats? How long do you think it will be before middle America decides they'd better off on their own vs being ruled by those regions? Like I said, war can be avoided by simply giving us our flag and our Constitution. Well, you keep opening those arms to immigrants and the immigrants we'll be sending your way and don't forget to allow the immigrants who are on their way there now. I think Trump should say fuck it, and let them enter California by the thousands/millions. I'd even suggest that he should bull doze your wall. I mean, who cares, California is damn near all blue and it's only going to be blues who are going to be hurt or destroyed by the overwhelming population increase and all the costs associated with them. Shit, at least the American Indians fought for their lands.

No, it is just as I said. Reform was made, gerrymandering was not done by the Democrats in CA, AZ and PA, but districts were drawn by independent commissions, which allowed people to vote for their politicians instead of vice versa. You can't tell a reform from a partisan gerrymander, and a legal recount from law-breaking. You vote to keep big money considered as free speech, and thus keep our politicians locked into special interests. 

You forget again that I myself am quite willing to separate from your red states, if that's what the people want to do, and that I would not join or support a war to keep you in the union if you want to leave, and that I might support such a war if it's us blues who want to leave and you reds who want to impose your red regime upon us. How many times do I need to say this, so you don't have to keep repeating your threat to separate from us blues, since I regard it as a promise and not a threat?