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Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure
(11-21-2018, 04:27 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(11-21-2018, 04:55 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I do understand there are multiple motivations.  Some will support movements like Me Too to end the abuse of women which has gone on for years and is almost traditional.  Some are out for power, and are using the movement to hurt Trump, Kavanaugh and other specific red people.  In the process, if some of them end up under the bus, that is the cost of doing business.  The red are certainly not the sole abusers.  Then there are 'all men are created equal' folk who support multiple minorities seeking to fight the prejudices of the white males.

And this is par for the course, the way the elites exploit exploitation, how values change to become more inclusive.  The elites want to hurt someone, so they get behind what suddenly is unacceptable.

I don't know about reddish progressives.  (Oxymoron?)   I am more used to among the reddish, the KKK, the votes stolen by the Republican Southern Strategy, the so called deplorables.  The Agricultural Age was one of class and privilege, and some of it lingers, and this is what it is all about, preserving or rejecting white male Protestant class and privilege.  This doesn't mean there are not honorable Reds.  There certainly are.  I am just not used to thinking of them as numerous or dominant.  There is nothing wrong with small government and self reliance.  Population density certainly effects how to best provide necessary services, and how obvious problems are where a person lives.  

There is something wrong with ignoring real problems, prejudice and being selfish.  Unravellings should come as part of the cycles, but should not last forever.  The Reagan unravelling values have run their time.

Bob, if you were able to stop clinging to your interpretation/understanding of Strauss and Howe's theory and quit assuming the outcome will be the same as it was in the past 4T and quit ignoring the advancements we have made since then and the lessons we have learned since then. The Reagan values have taken hold and are staying for good. The progressive values of old are being or have largely rejected and the progressives aren't responding well to its rejection these days. In my opinion, the Obama election represented it's last dying gasp. How many blue voters believed they hit the jack pot? How many American voters found out they didn't matter as much to the blues? How many voted to save their home that was being foreclose and ended up loosing it? How many American voters voted for jobs and ended up being jobless for years or forced to work a few jobs to make up for the job loss? You better get familiar with them because that's who is going to be showing up in large numbers to support Trump and advance the continuation of his policies who are more likely to vote Republican than they were a decade ago. The small blue wave turned purple like I said it would be not so along ago.

The Glorious Revolution is not Crisis of the American Revolution and Constitutional formation; neither is fully comparable to the American Civil War and its prequels (such as Bleeding Kansas); and neither of the three is the Great Depression and World War II. How different is the situation from the Great Depression and the Civil War? Should America be involved in a war in which Germany and Japan between tyranny and freedom it will be the Germans and Japanese on the side of freedom and us with a despotic or dictatorial government -- and I could imagine in the aftermath that Japanese occupation authorities will mandate the teaching of the Japanese  language (if in a Roman script) in public schools in Washington, Oregon, and California -- and don't be surprised if the Japanese annex Alaska and establish a puppet state in Hawaii. (As Longfellow's poem goes... the Wrong shall fail, the Right prevail). We Americans kicked fascist butt all the way from Midway to Tokyo and from Omaha Beach and Kasserine Pass to Venice, Salzburg, Pilsen, and and Weimar and stopped only because the Japanese surrendered and the Russians got to Berlin, Prague, and Vienna before we did. It helped that we were under the rule of decent leaders instead of the brutes who prevailed in Rome, Berlin, and Tokyo. Change the relationship between Good and Evil to its opposite, and Chicago is the infamously-divided city.  

Due to recent polarization of politics and mass culture on ethnic or regional lines, the Civil War scares me as an ominous analogue this time. The recent example of Yugoslavia scares the Hell out of me.

You may ignore that a President so different from Reagan in ideology (Obama) could largely adopt his style as a political leader. You may ignore that the closest analogue to Obama as President is Eisenhower (which might surprise people unfamiliar with the Howe and Strauss theory).

I see Trump as a catastrophic failure as President (but that is for a later post), and I predict that the next effective conservative President will be much more like Obama in style and substance, either adopting an ideology more pro-capitalist and more compatible with Protestant fundamentalism or deciding to hinder 'progress' from his position. No new wars, no scandals, respect for precedent and protocol, recognizing the importance of civic ritual -- that is Eisenhower, Reagan, and Obama -- and not Trump! Scandals alone are at an unprecedented level; it is hard to compare his scandals to other political disasters such as economic meltdowns, military and diplomatic disasters, or simple incompetence.

The 2018 elections should disabuse anyone of any idea of the inevitable and inexorable success of the right-wing ideology of Donald Trump. This is not to say that conservatism will not arise again in America, but instead that it will be shorn of its demagoguery and divisiveness. It will need to offer opportunity for people other than economic elites. It will need to accept some humanistic values. It will need to be more traditional than revolutionary.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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RE: Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure - by pbrower2a - 11-23-2018, 04:17 AM

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