12-01-2018, 01:43 AM
(11-30-2018, 11:59 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: It seems to me that we have an old compromise, and a way to change it, and the old compromise is called the Constitution. It favors the old. Blue fanatics are not willing to abide by it. They keep moving the conversation here and elsewhere to prohibition, which hasn't worked, to infringement, when the old compromise specifically forbids infringement. The response has been for the red to also refuse compromise, and to stick to the old compromise, which favors them and which the blue do not have the numbers to change.
I don't see that as changing soon, and on his good days neither does Eric. On bad days, he and others spend valuable political capitol anyway.
The Second Amendment came into existence in the time of flintlock muskets, and not Gatling guns or Katyusha rockets. Original intent might be hard to determine.
Quote:I try to shift the conversation to ways of changing things for the blue that do not involve breaking the Constitution, but the blue fanatics keep not taking these steps and keep pushing breaking the Constitution. The red fanatics seeing this have no reason to shift away from the old compromise.
Do people have a right to keep weapons that have use only in crime or for military purposes? Is it legal to possess a hand grenade? Sarin gas? Semtex, the odorless form of an infamous plastic explosive that terrorists used?
Quote:Sports media no longer shows streakers, no longer gratifies one type of unlawful attention seeker. News media could do the same, not gratify those seeking publicity through violence. We could do much more to break the media's place in today's spiral of violence.
Streakers got stale. People such as Morganna known to go onto playing fields got blacklisted. (OK, she 'retired' from that activity).
Quote:The Constitution as interpreted does not guarantee the right to own or carry weapons to those questionably sane. It does, however, guarantee due process. If the blue want prohibition in that area, they should seek to define and implement a due process. That much could be and perhaps should be done.
People with dangerous mental conditions should not be allowed to have any sort of firearm.
Quote:That does not mean that Prohibition is necessarily going to succeed. Historically, it hasn't.
Black markets and gray markets will emerge with anything outlawed, heavily restricted, or whose price is fixed far above or below market. Think of currency: to really get some things done in some countries, one needs dollars.
Quote:But the blue fanatics will not move to doing what they can within the Constitution to stop the bloodshed. They insist on focusing the conversation on breaking it. The blood, it seems, is on them.
Other countries have rigid laws against the possession of firearms without any loss of civil liberties. Places with social breakdown are full of guns.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.