Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

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(12-17-2018, 01:20 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Is Bob a straw man as you claim or a FUCKHEAD as I claim? Bob lied to my face. A typical straw man isn't capable of lying directly to my face. It takes a FUCKHEAD to lie to someones face, place his own  words in their mouth  and accuse him of being bad or a bad person. I don't care if Bob knows JUDO as he claims.

Well, to start, I did not claim to know judo.  I did study karate in college, and kung fu as an adult, but no judo.  Nor did I use or threaten to use martial arts ability to change a political view.  That just isn't done, neither school would approve, nor is that typical blue behavior.  Not to mention I am a handicapped old guy, way out of shape, in no way ready or inclined to take confrontations to a physical level.  This is not really important.  In other ways it represents how you misrepresent what other people stand for, and attack the false position using insult and obscenity.

It is typical of your behavior to lie to someone else face, to badly represent their views in doing so, to use obscenity and insult.  Does this make you a bad person?  Maybe.  Define bad person.

Is this an anti American site?  No.  It should be a place where theories of history and politics are thrown around, and neutral to any red-blue bias.  There ideally should be equal numbers of people who lean either way.  It falls short of that ideal.  In part, those that rationally argued the red position and respected the supposed neutrality have mostly left.  All who are left on the red side are mostly fanatics, cannot be reasoned with.  The others have left, mostly as they were unable to use reason to defend red positions.  There are a good number of extremists of both stripes here who do not seem ready to tolerate people who disagree with their thought.  Most of them cannot be reasoned with, budged off their extremism.

I do object to calling your view American, and other views not.  Prejudice, for example, is a traditional part of American culture.  So is the drive for equality, to treat all men as equal.  In a similar way, most of the issues that divide America today have echoes on both sides in the American past.  Global warming is an exception, if only because it is fairly new.  Environmentalism only became an issue in the middle to late 20th century.  But this is an echo of rural thought.  It is harder to see high population density problems when you live in a low population density area.  It is easy to value independent action and small government when living in an area where the government is mostly far away.  This does not make pulling together and attacking large problems un American.  We did it to excess in the tax and spend era.  The tendency to attack large critical problems through government action was once typical, once made America great.

So I hear your calling reds American as lying.

I did call Trump as causing a flip flop.  His behavior caused the blues to win half of congress.  It will be much harder to impose the red world view on America.  I still see an eventual blue triumph.  The longer one leaves critical problems unseen and unsolved, the more it becomes inevitable that the majority of people will wish to solve the problems, will have to solve them.  The reds won a minority victory taking advantage of the old slavery compromises.  I anticipate America will be strong enough to survive.  I anticipate an eventual backlash.  The unravelling is a time of conservative stalemate, the crisis of radical change.  The question is how eventual.

A question which will not be answered by misrepresenting the opposition, lying, and using obscenity.