Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

[Bob Butler 54]

(12-19-2018, 01:18 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-19-2018, 08:32 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: A clear good choice.  It does not hide that the now traditional red financial policies, then as now, got us into trouble, that the red economics is messed up.  It just took far less time for Trump to do the same.  Bush 43 still got us in as much trouble as anyone since Hoover.  With two more years of Trump likely, we will see.  That which does not kill us makes the regeneracy closer.

Bush 43 had his deer in the headlights look, but was not as unintelligent as all that.

I think I already know why the standard red script went bad.  Stimulating the economy full time whether things are good or bad is good in the short term, but things blow up in the long term.  I'll still keep an eye out for the HBO special.

It's a VICE documentary. My view, full time Keynesian as we see/ know of today is not good for the entire country. Keynesian is not running on script as far as it was originally intended to be used, Keynesian is supposed to be only used as a temporary fill in during crisis's and hard times. Right now, how many blues are employed or financially supported by Keynesian economics. How many blues are reliant on social programs associated with Keynesian economics? How many people lost homes and experienced financial set backs and hardship because of Keynesian economics? We have two economic systems operating in the country. We have an American system and a Keynesian system. What happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your  country" and what happened to Martin Luther Kings vision along with his ideals for America? Where did they go and who is teaching them these days? In my opinion, we have a blue scourge that's larger and more powerful than the red scourge you're railing about all the time these days. However, I don't believe the blue scourge is powerful enough to overthrow America. I mean, we are just using words right now. I have more powerful things other than words that can be utilized and brought to bear. Think of it this way, I'm just one member of 60 some million members on the American right these days that are active. The 60 some million does not include those who are currently inactive or those who will eventually switch sides and join. Now, this is just my view. You're entitled to stick with your own view and promote your views if you so choose.

The Kennedy years were in the big government era. From the New Deal to the Great Society, we were willing to let the government get as big as it had to be to address problems. From Reagan on, smaller government was more common. There was a red push to cut taxes and programs. The mood of the country was different in the unraveling.

Keynesian economics is independant of size. You can spend in bad times, pay off then balance in good, independent of the size of government. During the FDR - LBJ era we had a primarily democratic era running big Keynesian government. During the Reagan and heirs era, it was voodoo economics and smaller government.

I think we have to address problems more, which means big government again and somewhat. We shouldn't get as enthusiastic or corrupt though as we did towards the Great Society time. There are lessons to be learned from that. However, I would prefer the original Keynesian economics to voodoo.

We did a lot of things in the big government era... fly to the moon, contain Communism, the beginnings of environmentalism, building the interstates, civil rights, women rights, fighting poverty. We should be a little less ambitious. Throw ourselves at problems with a little less enthusiasm. Go somewhat smaller. This is a somewhat red unravelling thing. We should respect that we can't do everything at once. Kennedy's line, that was when we did believe that America was Great enough to take on all those challenges at once. After the failures of the 1970s, we don't seem as eager to do that anymore, most of us, especially the red.

What did Kennedy mean by asking us what we could do for the county? Who was helped by flying to the moon, by building the interstates, by fighting poverty and the rest? The big government tax and spend era was a time of doing what we could for the country, of giving up money to achieve much for someone else. The Reagan unravelling, like most unravellings, was and still is a time of selfishness. How does tax spending help me? If it does not help me do not spend my tax money.

It was time. It had to happen. It has to end.

So I too mourn the loss of willingness to help the country. I too mourn the loss of the civil rights values of MLK.