12-21-2018, 01:03 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-21-2018, 12:44 PM by Eric the Green.)
If you substitute "blues" for "reds" you are nearer the fact, Classic Xer. Reds in general have a very tenuous relationship to reality, and often project their own faults onto the blues. At least when it comes to politics and other society functions. Reds, being often rural or small town/city, can be quite attuned to their own life and work and its practical realities.
But facts are not the only determinant of our views, whether blue or red. We also have different values and worldviews, and different needs; quite opposite ones in many cases.
And yet when thinking about the world, culture and history, and the interplay among peoples and nations, in many cases I don't find too much trouble identifying with the USA, in spite of its many faults. I am glad not to be under the regimes of Russia, China, the Middle East or Africa, where human rights often do not count. When General Mattis referred today to countries and allies that share our values, I knew what he meant.
I would say it's a mistake to say someone is not a T because they have strong "personal feelings and attachments." Attachments are a separate issue from one's T and F preference. Feelings are not things like fear, judgement, prejudice, insecurity, personal desire for attention and approval, or whatever. These are reactive mind elements, and thinking and all the other functions can be subject to such attachments. This is not Feeling, but what the Buddha called craving or attachment, what Jung called emotion, what Jesus called temptation, and they are what take us over rather than what we are or what we prefer.
F - Feeling is described by Jung as a rational function in which we decide what to do based on what we care about. Those who score high F put a high priority on harmony in relationships, and consider themselves tender-hearted, caring and sensitive, according to the MBTI test questions.
One test, which the former MillennialX (Ryen) recently posted elsewhere, has a separate category called Assertive vs. Turbulent, which I assume represents this fifth category. When someone who is a T charges that someone else is an F, in a critical way, I think this category is really what they have in mind. I have to admit, on that test I still lean toward the turbulent side. And their own tendency to criticize may reflect the T critic's own turbulence too.
But facts are not the only determinant of our views, whether blue or red. We also have different values and worldviews, and different needs; quite opposite ones in many cases.
And yet when thinking about the world, culture and history, and the interplay among peoples and nations, in many cases I don't find too much trouble identifying with the USA, in spite of its many faults. I am glad not to be under the regimes of Russia, China, the Middle East or Africa, where human rights often do not count. When General Mattis referred today to countries and allies that share our values, I knew what he meant.
I would say it's a mistake to say someone is not a T because they have strong "personal feelings and attachments." Attachments are a separate issue from one's T and F preference. Feelings are not things like fear, judgement, prejudice, insecurity, personal desire for attention and approval, or whatever. These are reactive mind elements, and thinking and all the other functions can be subject to such attachments. This is not Feeling, but what the Buddha called craving or attachment, what Jung called emotion, what Jesus called temptation, and they are what take us over rather than what we are or what we prefer.
F - Feeling is described by Jung as a rational function in which we decide what to do based on what we care about. Those who score high F put a high priority on harmony in relationships, and consider themselves tender-hearted, caring and sensitive, according to the MBTI test questions.
One test, which the former MillennialX (Ryen) recently posted elsewhere, has a separate category called Assertive vs. Turbulent, which I assume represents this fifth category. When someone who is a T charges that someone else is an F, in a critical way, I think this category is really what they have in mind. I have to admit, on that test I still lean toward the turbulent side. And their own tendency to criticize may reflect the T critic's own turbulence too.