Bipartisan Senate group proposes ‘no fly, no buy’ gun measure

[Bob Butler 54]

(12-21-2018, 12:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-20-2018, 07:23 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Under the Myers Briggs system, I view myself as a T, a Thinker.  Dealing with ideas such as history or politics is my strength.  Dealing with people, relationships, emotion and all that touchy feely stuff is not.  This is part of why I am willing to throw away personal attack posts, posts which criticize other people by name.  I am not good at it particularly.  That is not the purpose of the site.  That is not my purpose.

I have learned that people with different world views are not likely to properly understand one another.  Their perception will be off, their ideas of the other wrong.  That does leave one open, no matter how sincerely one is attempting to pin someone else, with the impression of lying and slander.  You mischaracterized me badly and continue to do so.

Even when one sticks with more abstract groups and mentions no names, it is a problem.  Blues will badly misunderstand the motives of a red person, and vice versa.  You get vile stereotypes more often that any real truth.  If some blues will loudly proclaim what reds are driven by, they are often badly mistaken.  Reds are little different.  Neither group in general attempts to listen.

Anyway, that is were I am at.

I'd say that you're a weak "T" and your personal  feelings and attachments  get in the of your thinking and judgement at times. As a general rule, reds don't fling or apply false accusations freely with no concern of consequences. We are used to being around reddish people who frown on that stuff, Reds seek truth, red's gather in information and sift through information, learn and decide truth then use truth and stick with truth they've learned or the truth that they know of relating to them which blues don't seem to like or be able to emotionally accept and get upset or angry about reds. Red's aren't stupid people. Reds listen, but agreeing and accepting what blues have to say or believe is another matter.

I see both reds and blues as having realistically positive views of themselves and members of their own group, but much weaker views of each other, shallow to the point of being stereotypes.  Understanding the different other is hard.  Most don't try.  These days, the easy vile stereotype is too often made available by various groups.

Note how Eric came in and reversed a lot of what you had to say.  Eric believes in the blue worldview sincerely, and believes what he is saying is true.  This questionable impression of the political opposite group is typical with extremists who have latched onto one view.  Your complaint that most blues don't listen is generally valid.  You have to be aware that this is not a uniquely blue trait, but one that is widely shared, and not just by the red and blue.  As Cynic demonstrated, it is possible to buy into the autocratic way of perceiving things, to see that as uniquely valid in the same way most Americans buy into the red or blue.  I do not agree with the Agricultural Age world view, but I can see that Cynic has bought into it, JPT bought into one possible literal interpretation of the Bible, Mikebert into the scientific world view, etc...

I see that people have to try a lot harder to push those levels of sincerity onto world views which are seen as alien, absurd and wrong.

Anyway, you won't get me unless you accept me as an INTP who sincerely believes in human rights, democracy, equality, Keynes, and environmentalism.  If you do not accept that people who disagree with you have positive views of themselves, if you try to project bad views and stereotypes on them, you will remain lost in the wilderness.  I'm more Whiggish than most blues, less modern in some ways, but lean blue.  Most blues have not thought through where blues came from, and demonize rival thoughts, but if you presume sincerity and truly listen to what people say about their own motivation you will go far in attributing motivation accurately.