12-25-2018, 08:32 AM
(This post was last modified: 12-25-2018, 08:44 AM by Bill the Piper.)
(12-24-2018, 12:21 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I don't consider it "American" to erect walls to keep others out. Americans are all immigrants or close descendants thereof, and some preceded whites here by over ten thousand years. The statue of liberty spells out our creed in which we welcome the oppressed and hungry from other lands. It was never assumed that all criminals are welcome here; we have laws. But despite our history of racism, directed at some immigrants, whether imported by us or whether they came on their own, racism is not part of essential American values, and Americans are not presumed to be white. And also, it is distinctly anti-American to claim that Americans are Christians, or even religious at all. The First Amendment makes clear that our nation has no prescribed religion, and all are free to worship or not in the way they choose.
I completely agree. The most wonderful aspect of the American Revolution is that it created a nation of IDEALS rather than blood and soil. China, Russia and Germany are all built around a tribal identity, which isn't very interesting to others. You don't see Africans wearing T-shirts with the Chinese or German flag. But all over the world many people wear T-shirts with the US flag, because they like the ideals of the American Revolution.
Neoconservatives and Progressives such as yourself differ in the interpretation, but both stand for the ideals of the American Revolutionaries. Trumpists don't. In this sense, Trumpists are most un-American creatures possible.
One could even argue the ideal Trumpist society is Belarus. It's almost 100% white (apart from a few Tatars and some Chechen refugees). It's ruled by an autocratic president. Its central bank is directly responsible to the president. A white version of North Korea, as some guy on Personality Cafe has called it.
Quote:I have come to the view, however, that the Republican Party, the reds, has today lost its moral compass and is in need of defeat. The blues and greens would then become the opposing parties, while the reds would fade away as irrelevant and a relic of the past. I have hope, though, that the reds too are just in need of awakening, rather than defeat through war or political battle alone
In this scenario, I'd imagine the Democrats to move into "liberal globalist" corner maybe like Hillary Clinton or like UK's Lib Dems, while the Greens would stand for socialism with some restrictions on self-expression based on environmentalism and feminism, approaching the policies of Jeremy Corbyn. The rivalry between them could as passionate as today's one between Republicans and Democrats.