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Thoughts On Where We Are, and Where We're Going
(09-06-2018, 09:47 PM)Teejay Wrote:
(09-06-2018, 12:44 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(09-05-2018, 07:53 PM)Teejay Wrote: I totally agree with you with that assessment, hence why I argued that the new order did not begin to take shape until quite late in the last Fourth Turning, about when the Battle of Stalingrad occurred in 1942-1943.

The Atlantic Charter was released in August of 1941, and defined the basics.  Churchill's Iron Curtain speech was 1946.  But, yes, we are in agreement as much as a Turning boundary issue ever is.
I was arguing that Battle of Stalingrad was it was definite that the allies would win the War rather than the Axis powers in the European theater. In Europe the Soviet Union did the greater part in defeating the Axis powers.

Yep. El Alamain and Midway happened about the same time. By that time, the US economy was pretty committed to the war effort, and it began to show. (As one Commie put it, "American uniforms. Soviet men.")

But turnings seem to have more than one dimension, so it is quite possible to put the emphasis on different things. I am into how values change, so I put my emphasis on values rather than the progress of the war. Thus, you get variations in the dates which is best answered by different markers thus fuzzy dates.
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RE: Thoughts On Where We Are, and Where We're Going - by Bob Butler 54 - 09-07-2018, 05:54 AM

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