02-05-2017, 11:51 AM
I really have no idea why you insist on taking this so personally.
I still think you are assuming your conclusion, here. Why do you think the Chinese are plotting to invade Russia in the next few years?
I addressed what I thought your point actually was in the sentences immediately after the ones quoted. I just thought the hyperbole was sufficiently over-the-top to merit a response.
Let's see, in order of mention -
Pearl Harbor:
- The most salient was the US oil embargo, restrictions on the purchase of aircraft engine and other strategic materials, etc. in response to Japan's invasion of China. The US government was well aware of what it was doing when it put those policies into place.
Invasion of Poland/Russia (I am going to assume, so correct me if I'm wrong, that you mean the one in WWII. I mean, they get invaded so many times...):
- (Poland) Really? Nazi Germany had been taking bites out of the other countries of Central Europe throughout the 1930s, they had large German-speaking minorities (not just "villages) throughout the region, active irredentist claims on the Polish Corridor and other parts of the country, etc. It wasn't like they signed a peace treaty, and then sent troops in 20-30 years later to say "AHA! FOOLED YOU!". They broke treaties, signed new ones, broke those, annexed Austria, the Sudetenland, the rest of Czechoslovakia, signed more treaties, broke them, then invaded Poland.
- (Russia) Again? Hitler and his desire to prep for the coming war with Russia were a big part of Mein Kampf, the Soviet Union was busy sponsoring (more or less depending on the period) Communist revolutions elsewhere, they had fought a proxy conflict in Spain, they had fought an actual major war 20 years prior, with the Treaty of Brest-Litvosk presaging a lot of what the Nazis would eventually try to implement in Eastern Europe, and just prior to Barbarossa the Germans had conquered Czechoslovakia, Norway, the Netherlands, Poland, France, etc. With their allies in Hungary, Italy, Spain, and elsewhere, they had pretty much wrapped up every other major country in Europe with exception of Britain. The timing of Barbarossa surprised Stalin, not the eventuality of war.
US Civil War:
- South Carolina declared its secession in December of 1860, they fired on Fort Sumter in April 12, 1861. They wrote a letter demanding the evacuation of Fort Sumter in January 31, after firing shots to prevent its resupply on January 9.
- The overall buildup to the Civil War including intense factional fighting, rising declarations in favor of secession over the slavery issue, Bleeding Kansas, the caning of Charles Sumner, etc.
So, with China/Russia, where are the border skirmishes (no, not the ones 50 years ago)? The political speeches denouncing the other country? Threatening diplomatic letters? Diplomatic maneuvering? Peace talks that dissolved in acrimony, or that led to resolutions swiftly broken? Embargoes?
Quote:All that's needed is a steady stream of Chinese crossing the border,
forming villages with families with homes, businesses and schools.
Once those villages are established, the Chinese can invade in the
name of "protecting" the Chinese. No hordes are required
I still think you are assuming your conclusion, here. Why do you think the Chinese are plotting to invade Russia in the next few years?
Quote:This bait and mock comment is totally moronic, and I would say you're
a total moron except that I believe that you're intelligent enough to
understand the actual point.
I addressed what I thought your point actually was in the sentences immediately after the ones quoted. I just thought the hyperbole was sufficiently over-the-top to merit a response.
Quote:Really?? Then where did the bombing of Pearl Harbor flare out of?
Where did the invasion of Poland or of Russia flare out of? Where did
the attack on Fort Sumter flare out of?
Let's see, in order of mention -
Pearl Harbor:
- The most salient was the US oil embargo, restrictions on the purchase of aircraft engine and other strategic materials, etc. in response to Japan's invasion of China. The US government was well aware of what it was doing when it put those policies into place.
Invasion of Poland/Russia (I am going to assume, so correct me if I'm wrong, that you mean the one in WWII. I mean, they get invaded so many times...):
- (Poland) Really? Nazi Germany had been taking bites out of the other countries of Central Europe throughout the 1930s, they had large German-speaking minorities (not just "villages) throughout the region, active irredentist claims on the Polish Corridor and other parts of the country, etc. It wasn't like they signed a peace treaty, and then sent troops in 20-30 years later to say "AHA! FOOLED YOU!". They broke treaties, signed new ones, broke those, annexed Austria, the Sudetenland, the rest of Czechoslovakia, signed more treaties, broke them, then invaded Poland.
- (Russia) Again? Hitler and his desire to prep for the coming war with Russia were a big part of Mein Kampf, the Soviet Union was busy sponsoring (more or less depending on the period) Communist revolutions elsewhere, they had fought a proxy conflict in Spain, they had fought an actual major war 20 years prior, with the Treaty of Brest-Litvosk presaging a lot of what the Nazis would eventually try to implement in Eastern Europe, and just prior to Barbarossa the Germans had conquered Czechoslovakia, Norway, the Netherlands, Poland, France, etc. With their allies in Hungary, Italy, Spain, and elsewhere, they had pretty much wrapped up every other major country in Europe with exception of Britain. The timing of Barbarossa surprised Stalin, not the eventuality of war.
US Civil War:
- South Carolina declared its secession in December of 1860, they fired on Fort Sumter in April 12, 1861. They wrote a letter demanding the evacuation of Fort Sumter in January 31, after firing shots to prevent its resupply on January 9.
- The overall buildup to the Civil War including intense factional fighting, rising declarations in favor of secession over the slavery issue, Bleeding Kansas, the caning of Charles Sumner, etc.
So, with China/Russia, where are the border skirmishes (no, not the ones 50 years ago)? The political speeches denouncing the other country? Threatening diplomatic letters? Diplomatic maneuvering? Peace talks that dissolved in acrimony, or that led to resolutions swiftly broken? Embargoes?
