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Generational Dynamics World View
(02-05-2017, 09:24 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(02-05-2017, 08:44 AM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:
(02-04-2017, 11:27 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:
(02-04-2017, 05:27 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote: If China were NOT planning war, it would have no use for the thousands
of missiles targeting the US and Russia, or for those new missiles on
Russia's border, and China would not be confiscating other people's
fishing grounds and building military bases in the South China Sea.

It strikes me that China is trying to catch up with the US and Russia on nuclear weapons capability, not trying to gain a first strike capability.  Currently China is behind France; they have a lot of catching up to do.  By your definition of "planning war", are the US and Russia "planning war"?

What do you perceive as my "definition" of "planning war," and
how would you apply your perceived definition to China, Russia,
and the US?

I don't know what your definition of "planning war" is; that's why I'm asking for a clarification.  You say that the only use for China having "thousands of missiles targeting the US and Russia" is that they're "planning war"; by that logic, it seems to me that the US and Russia are also "planning war", since we both have thousands of missiles targeting each other and China as well.

I feel reasonably confident that I understand what the US is planning.  We have contingency plans for all sorts of scenarios in which war could occur; in that sense we are "planning war".  We may well be planning conventional strikes in Syrian territory, and keeping our nukes in reserve as a deterrent against unwanted escalation; in that sense also we may be "planning war", or at least we did in Iraq and Afghanistan.  On the other hand, we aren't likely to attack China or Russia in an unprovoked war of aggression; in that sense, we are not "planning war".

I'm trying to get a feel for which of these senses you are using when you say China is "planning war".  If it's in the contingency plan sense, I'd agree; I think all nations with significant military power "plan war" in that sense.  If you're talking about use as a deterrent against escalation while they wage a limited conventional war, I'd be interested in what limited conventional war you think is planned.  If you think they are planning an unprovoked war of aggression against the US in the sense that we are not planning an unprovoked war of aggression against China, I'd want to know why you think the situation is not symmetric.  And if you think the US is planning an unprovoked war of aggression against China, I'd be interested in that too.

So, can you clarify in which of those senses you are using "planning war", and in particular, do you see the US and Russia fitting that sense as well?


Quote:Is it your opinion that there's any scenario where the US could have sided with the Nazis in WWII?  If not, then why not?

Except in the deterministic sense that what happened is obviously what happened, yes, I think there are scenarios where the US could have sided with Nazi Germany in WWII.  If the Great Depression had hit France harder, causing the centrist French government to be replaced by a militant Communist government strongly allied with the Soviet Union, for example, I can see Churchill and the US intervening to help Nazi Germany survive to prevent Communist hegemony over the continent.  I can think of other scenarios too, up until 1938 or 1939.  I'm not sure what relevance that has, though.

-- what if Grandpa Bush had been successful in overthrowing Roosevelt? Grandpa was a big Hitler fanboy, even after WW2 started. In 1942 he was busted for "trading with the enemy"
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RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by radind - 05-14-2016, 03:21 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by radind - 05-23-2016, 10:31 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by radind - 08-11-2016, 08:59 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by SomeGuy - 01-18-2017, 09:23 PM
RE: 27-Jan-17 World View -- China places missiles on Russia's border -- to gain respect - by Marypoza - 02-05-2017, 09:39 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by tg63 - 02-04-2017, 10:08 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by Galen - 03-13-2017, 03:33 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by SomeGuy - 03-15-2017, 02:56 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by SomeGuy - 03-15-2017, 03:13 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by Galen - 05-30-2017, 01:04 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by Galen - 07-08-2017, 01:34 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by tg63 - 08-09-2017, 11:07 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by tg63 - 08-10-2017, 02:38 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by Galen - 10-25-2017, 03:07 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by rds - 10-31-2017, 03:35 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by rds - 10-31-2017, 06:33 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by noway2 - 11-20-2017, 04:31 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by Galen - 12-28-2017, 11:00 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by Galen - 12-31-2017, 11:14 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by JDG 66 - 06-22-2018, 02:54 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by JDG 66 - 07-11-2018, 01:42 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by JDG 66 - 07-11-2018, 01:54 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by JDG 66 - 07-19-2018, 12:43 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by JDG 66 - 07-25-2018, 02:18 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by JDG 66 - 07-11-2018, 01:58 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by Galen - 08-18-2018, 03:42 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by Galen - 08-19-2018, 04:39 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by tg63 - 09-25-2019, 11:12 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by JDG 66 - 03-09-2020, 02:11 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by Camz - 03-10-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by tg63 - 03-12-2020, 11:11 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by JDG 66 - 03-16-2020, 03:21 PM
RE: 58 year rule - by Tim Randal Walker - 04-01-2020, 11:17 AM
RE: 58 year rule - by John J. Xenakis - 04-02-2020, 12:25 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by Isoko - 05-04-2020, 02:51 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by tg63 - 01-04-2021, 12:13 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by CH86 - 01-05-2021, 11:17 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by mamabug - 01-10-2021, 06:16 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by mamabug - 01-11-2021, 09:06 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by mamabug - 01-12-2021, 02:53 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by mamabug - 01-13-2021, 03:58 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by mamabug - 01-13-2021, 04:16 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by mamabug - 01-15-2021, 03:36 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by galaxy - 08-19-2021, 03:03 AM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by galaxy - 08-21-2021, 01:41 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by galaxy - 02-27-2022, 06:06 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by galaxy - 02-27-2022, 10:42 PM
RE: Generational Dynamics World View - by galaxy - 02-28-2022, 12:26 AM
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