Generational Dynamics World View

[Ragnarök_62]

(03-29-2017, 12:36 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(03-28-2017, 11:43 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: >   And... So, John, here's why I'm a nationalist: Have you ever
>   considered that globalism has totally ruined the lives of lots of
>   Americans?  As some may recall, I lost my job to some stupid
>   H1-B. I think a better way of expressing the drivers of
>   nationalism are resentment towards elites, my own economic
>   distress caused by globalism.  Nationalism is the solution to
>   that. It's not perfect, but the only way I see to address said
>   resentments. In fact, I'd like the US to become an economic
>   autarky. The US has a sufficient array of technology and natural
>   resources to go that way. The way I see it, is that the elites
>   would suffer greatly from autarky. It goes like this John, they
>   fucked me over and I want revenge and a chance at something
>   better. Face it, if you're a prole, the current arrangement has
>   lots of better outcomes.  And... so I say again, shut down the
>   MIC! I really don't give a shit if the shipping lanes are not
>   defended by my tax dollars. If the exporting nations want to send
>   their crap here, let THEM PAY, and if not, just let the whole
>   rotten system collapse.

>   Fuck the MIC, fuck the oligarchies who benefit from my tax dollars
>   going to defend THEIR shipping lanes. If said oligarchies want to
>   import crap, LET THEM PAY, I want nothing of it. In fact, I opt
>   out as much as I can to further the cause of collapse.  The US is
>   just like the Soviet Union. The elites serve only themselves,
>   period.  So.. I think elite overreach is the proximate cause of
>   nationalism/xenophobia.

What's MIC?

I understand your feelings, and I even share some of them, though not
with your vitriolic fervor, and even though one commenter once called
me a "globalist scumbag."

What I'm saying is that your feelings are becoming increasingly
common, especially among younger generations, and that nationalism and
xenophobia are both occurring in nations around the world in this
generational Crisis era, that these feelings can't be stopped, and
that they're going to lead to a world war.

As Kinser79 mentioned the MIC = military industrial complex.  As you mentioned, the term originated in Ike's farewell address. I picked it up in the 1970's actually from the anti war movement, FWIW. (I had a cousin who served in 'Nam. ) I think another influence I had as a kid is that all of my paternal cousins are Boomers. That means I'm pretty much used to "Boomer Think". I rather doubt you'll find a post I've written that disses Boomers.

Vitriolic fervor?  Uh, I thought that was a Boomer thingie.   Dunno, but I'm one of addled cuspers or something.

As for nationalism/xenophobia, there's another thing that mentions that.  Robert Prector , Elliot wave guy also mentions it.  I do think it wise to consider the forces that lead to said nationalism/xenophobia.  If you take a look back over the 3T, neoliberalism and it's attendant opening of borders/markets/sleazy financial rackets over time becomes more dysfunctional, robs those in lower economic classes of purchasing power. At some point, the whole rotten edifice collapses in a smoldering heap of unpayable debt, widespread resentments from getting ripped off by the rentier class, demand destruction, and dysfunctional government. So... yes, you could well be correct in your assessment of the social forces released from the above.

Here's the writeup, if you're interested : http://www.socionomics.net/2011/04/social-mood/

Globalist scumbag:  Did this person present a cogent POV? Usually, ad homs mean that person has basically lost the argument right then, and there.  NB:  Yeah, I called you a "butter ball", but that's just me being cute.   You see, I'm a male and an *INTP [the MBTI definition of "nerd". It's not a smackdown or anything.

*INTP : https://www.16personalities.com/intp-personality