Generational Dynamics World View

[Eric the Green]

(12-14-2017, 12:36 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-13-2017, 01:34 PM)Cynic Hero Wrote:

(12-13-2017, 01:14 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(12-13-2017, 09:28 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote: Selfish Boomers refuse to allow a strike on North Korea. The problem here is that the selfish boomers are emotionally attached to the idea of america as the world's policeman. This attachment causes boomers to reject any option that contradicts that role. The US has the military assets to carry out a preemptive strike on North Korea, the boomers just refuse to do so for ideological reasons.

Color me confused.  Wouldn't a strike on North Korea be exactly what a "world policeman" would do?

Only if we allow the NORKs to fire the first shot. A criminal is not a criminal unless he commits a crime. America has self-defense reasons to strike, but doing so the traditional "policeman" approach would eliminate any chance of achieving the element of surprise. On the other hand striking North Korea is risky but if successful arrives at lots of advantages especially if the strike in in conjunction with an agreement with China over Taiwan and a Yalu DMZ. The option of striking North Korea is not therefore a decision to continue a policeman approach but the beginning of a possible transformation into a garrison and/or an imperial state. For this reason boomers for purely ideological reasons, refuse to take the necessary actions.

Thanks for the clarification.  I think actual policemen often shoot first - and sometimes the gun they thought they saw in the other person's hand was actually a cell phone - but at least I understand what you mean.  I agree that a transition to a more overtly imperial America would be good, and I'd even agree I'm in the minority of boomers for thinking that.  Do you think most millenials would welcome an imperial America?

What to do about NORK is an interesting question I've engaged Warren on before. It's a tempting option to get rid of a totalitarian leader and his hypnotized country which threatens us and the free world.

An imperial America is what Republicans favor; Greens, Democrats and Libertarians don't. An imperial, garrison, Republican America acts preemptively to impose its will and standards on other countries.

As a "selfish" boomer I reject an imperial and garrison America, and collegial millennials do as well.

For a preemptive strike on the NORKS to work, it would have to be big and precise enough to wipe out not only all its nucs and potential nucs, and all of its government, but also all of its army, much of which is stationed just north of Seoul. It would have to kill many North Koreans in that process, probably, and some South Koreans too, probably.

If this is not quickly and totally successful, a NORK counterattack on South Korea, Japan and the USA would kill millions of ourselves and our allies.

The further risk is that NORK's ally, China, and possibly Russia as well, would respond by attacking the USA and its allies. China would not defend NORK if NORK struck the USA first, but WOULD defend NORK if it were attacked first. That's the deal. A preemptive strike on NORK cannot be carried out "in conjunction with" China.