Generational Dynamics World View

[Cynic Hero '86]

(12-25-2017, 05:41 PM)John J. Xenakis Wrote:

(12-25-2017, 12:10 AM)Cynic Hero Wrote: >   These paragraphs as currently phrased is nonsense. The danger of
>   war between China and the US comes from the fact China wants to
>   invade Taiwan as well as the hostility between China and Japan
>   left over from WW2 and the fact that the US is obligated to defend
>   these countries. Those countries therefore don't have the option
>   of remaining neutral in a war with China. It is America that has
>   the option of neutrality. The danger of war with China comes from
>   the fact that if war breaks out between China and Taiwan or China
>   and Japan, the Chinese would be tempted to attack the US as well
>   due to the defence treaty. Thus There are potential scenarios in
>   which China attacks taiwan, japan and the US simulataniously or
>   instead China attacks taiwan or even Japan without attacking the
>   US. However there is no possibility of China attacking the US
>   without also attacking Japan and Taiwan. This is because if you
>   took away the interlocking treaty system, there would afterwards
>   be no casus belli between China and the US. However if you took
>   away said treaties the hostility between China and Taiwan and
>   especially China and Japan would still exist.  

I agree that there's no casus belli between China and the US,
especially since the US saved China's butt in WW II.  But was there a
casus belli between Japan and the US or between Britain and
Germany in WW II?

I keep comparing generational crisis wars to sexual affairs because
they're entirely emotional, and are often completely irrational.
Erotic desire is a very powerful emotion in an individual, and
nationalism and xenophobia are very powerful emotions in a generation
or an entire population.  People destroy their lives for no good
reason by having an affair, and countries destroy their way of life
for no good reason by launching a generational crisis war.

Friedrich Nietzsche: "Insanity in individuals is something rare -
but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."

And there are strong nationalistic passions in China against the Japanese and a lesser extent against Taiwan. Those nationalistic contradictions would exist regardless of US involvement, there is no country that China hates more than Japan.

Regarding WW2 there was no casus belli between Japan and the US in 1929, however there definitely was a casus belli by late 1941 since japan had invaded China, then a US friend and the US had basically declared an economic war against Japan in response by that point. Regarding Britain and Germany. Britain was one of the two powers responsible for forcing the versailles treaty on Germany. Although interestingly enough there was an element in Britain that wanted to ally with Germany against the USSR and France; a faction whose existence Hitler was aware of. This Resulted in the British Political Crisis of 1936 in which the British Prophet Generation Rammed their preferences down the Nomad's throats by engineering the removal of Edward VIII and his replacement by George VI as king of England. Had Edward VIII remained on the throne Britain would have likely remained Neutral or Possibly even Joined Germany against the USSR. However Baldwin, Chamberlain and Churchill rammed their foreign policy preferences down the British Citizenry's throats.

Regarding a US-China war; What is the American Objective?; To defend taiwan. What is the Chinese objective?; To conquer Taiwan and the neighboring sea-lanes.