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*** 20-Jun-16 World View -- Historic Orthodox Christian gathering in Crete exposes sharp divisions

This morning's key headlines from GenerationalDynamics.com
  • Orthodox 'Great and Holy Council' marred by defections and controversies
  • History of Catholic and Orthodox Christian 'Ecumenical' Councils

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**** Orthodox 'Great and Holy Council' marred by defections and controversies
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Eastern Orthodox icon 'Christ's Descent into Hades'. Unlike Muslims, who forbid the depiction of Mohammed, Orthodox Churches are adorned with many such icons and monuments

It's been in the planning stages since it was first announced in 1961,
and now that it's taking place, the news is more about the defections
and controversies than the event itself.

It's called the "Great and Holy Council (GHC) of the Eastern Orthodox
Churches," and it's meant to be the first ecumenical meeting of all
the Orthodox churches 787. At that time, the Catholic and Orthodox
Churches were still together, and they held the Seventh Ecumenical
Council of (almost) all the Christian Churches to decide such
important issues as whether it's sacrilegious to display images and
icons of Jesus Christ in churches.

Since 787, the Orthodox and Catholic churches have been split. In the
"Schism of 1054," the Pope and the Patriarch of Constantinople
excommunicated each other, and in 1204 the Catholic Crusades attacked,
sacked and plundered the Orthodox church in Constantinople.

So Sunday was the first day of the Great and Holy Council, hosted in
Crete by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople,
considered "first among equals." It would be the first ecumenical
meeting of Orthodox churches since 787. It would bring together the
leaders of all 14 independent Eastern Orthodox churches, representing
more than 300 million Orthodox Christians.

Unfortunately, there have been several disagreements and defections.

The first disagreement was that Russia and Bulgaria did not want to
recognize Bartholomew as "first among equals," so they insisted that
the meeting be held at a round table. That issue was resolved, but
Bulgaria pulled out anyway, citing a lack of "particularly important"
topics on the agenda.

The Damascus-based Antioch Patriarchate also pulled out because a
dispute it was having with the Jerusalem Patriarchate over which of
them had jurisdiction over the small Orthodox community in Qatar. The
Georgian Orthodox Church pulled out over a doctrinal issue.

One of the most divisive issues in Orthodoxy is the relationship with
the Catholic church. Some groups want to have closer relations with
the Catholics, while others consider them heretics, citing
particularly the 1204 Catholic sacking of Constantinople.

But the most divisive issue of all right now is that the Russians want
their Patriarch Kirill to displace Patriarch Bartholomew of
Constantinople as the "first among equals."

When the Ottoman Muslims sacked Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453,
Russia chose to take on the mantle of being "the third Rome," and head
the Orthodox Church. Whatever traction was gained by that plan was
thrown away by the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, where Nicolai Lenin
(Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov) led the destruction and sacking of the
Russian Orthodox Church, and turned Russia and the Soviet Union into
atheistic states.

So now Vladimir Putin is in power in Russia. He wants to ignore the
historic role of Constantinople and also ignore Lenin's destruction of
the Russian Orthodox Church, and put Moscow in the leadership of
Orthodox churches worldwide.

So Russia has also announced that it will not be attending the
ecumenical council in Crete this week.

Another controversy overshadowing the Great and Holy Council is that
Putin used Orthodox religious history as a justification for the
Russian invasion and annexation of Ukraine's Crimea peninsula. ( "20-Mar-14 World View -- Russia's annexation of Crimea splits the Russian Orthodox Church"
)

The Ukrainian Orthodox Church has for centuries been a part of the
Russian Orthodox Church, but Russia's invasion of Ukraine and
annexation of Crimea have led to a debate as to whether the Kiev
Patriarchate of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church should be recognized as
an independent church, separate from Russia. Patriarch Bartholomew is
believed to be in favor of recognizing it, something that the Russians
would angrily oppose. Although that issue has been officially removed
from this week's agenda, it may return. Christian Today (2-June) and AP and Guardian (London) and Kiev Post and Tass (Moscow)

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**** History of Catholic and Orthodox Christian 'Ecumenical' Councils
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Christianity's first Ecumenical Council was held in 325 AD in Nicea,
an ancient city just east of today's Istanbul (Constantinople). The
Council of Nicea was a meeting of all Christian churches, led not by
the Pope but by the Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine of Rome. The
objective of the meeting was to unify the different regional branches,
and to resolve some important questions.

At that time, many questions of Christian theology had not yet been
decided. One of the most important was the divinity of Jesus Christ.
If Jesus was born, then how could he be divine? Although there was
debate, the Council ratified the view that he was a man, but was God
in the form of human flesh.

The details of how it makes sense that Jesus was both human and divine
were extremely controversial. It was discussed further at the Second
Ecumenical Council in Constantinople in 381, again in the Third
Ecumenical Council, held Ephesus, an Aegean sea port, in 431. By the
time of the Fourth Ecumenical Council, held Chalcedon, near
Constantinople, in 451, the differences on this issue were extremely
vitriolic.

This was the time of the first major split within Christianity, as six
branches of Christianity refused to recognize the Fourth Ecumenical
Council, in a controversy that has never been resolved. Today, these
are usually called the "Oriental Orthodox Christian" churches,
comprised of the Ethiopian, Coptic (Egyptian), Armenian, Syrian,
Indian and Eritrean Churches. These were all churches that had
existed since apostolic times, and the major political issue was that
they didn't wish to be controlled by Rome. The Fifth Ecumenical
Council (in Constantinople in 553) and the Sixth Ecumenical Council
(in Constantinople in 680) attempted without success the resolve the
split.

The Seventh Ecumenical Council, in Nicea in 787, is the last one that
was recognized. At this one, the major controversy was was between
the "iconoclasts" and "iconophiles." "Iconoclast" means "image
smasher" or destroyer of religious icons and monuments. The
iconoclasts, who were outvoted, said that religious art was idolatry
and must be destroyed. If Jesus is divine, is it not sacrilegious to
worship an icon of Jesus as if it were Jesus himself? The iconophiles
loved icons, and argued that they were man's dynamic way of expressing
the divine through art and beauty. The latter argument won out.

There's also reason to believe that the argument over icons was
heavily influenced by the rise of Islam at that time. The Charlie
Hebdo terror attack in Paris in January 2015 was supposedly motivated
by artistic representations of the Prophet Mohammed, and this
prohibition was coming into effect at the time of the Seventh
Ecumenical Council.

That was the last time there was sufficient unity in the Christian
churches to hold a worldwide Ecumenical Council, although there were
smaller regional meetings.

In 1054, the Pope in Rome sent a letter to the Patriarch of
Constantinople demanding that the latter submit to the Pope as head of
all the churches. The Patriarch refused, and so the Pope and the
Patriarch excommunicated each other on July 16, 1054. The "Schism of
1054" has never been healed.

Things got much worse in 1204 during the Crusades. The Catholics, on
their way to fighting the Muslims in Jerusalem, sacked Constantinople,
and placed a prostitute on the Emperor's throne at the church of
St. Sophia. It was not until 2001 when the Pope John Paul visited
Athens and, encountering large anti-Catholic protests, that the
Catholics apologized for the sacking of Constantinople, and made a
plea for forgiveness. ( "25-May-14 World View -- Pope Francis visits Mideast to reconcile with Jews, Orthodox, and Muslims"
)

The Orthodox Christians were generally excluded from the Ecumenical
Councils held by the Catholics over the centuries, but they were
controversial nonetheless, even in modern times. The Second Vatican
Council held by the Catholics in 1962-65 created a new split within
the Catholic Church, when the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) refused to
recognize the legitimacy of its edicts. Pope Francis is currently
working to heal this rift.

It was at the time of the Second Vatican Council that plans for an
Ecumenical Council of all the Orthodox Churches as announced in 1961.

So in view of that history, it should not be surprising to anyone that
the attempt to create a new Orthodox Christian Ecumenical Council, a
Great and Holy Council (GHC) of Eastern Orthodox Churches, announced
in 1961, has run into a great deal of controversy, as controversy has
always been the norm, since the beginning.

It's also interesting to note that it's the norm for religions to
target small regional or national populations. You can be a
"Catholic" anywhere in the world, but you can't just be an "Orthodox
Christian," unless you're a "Greek Orthodox" or "Russian Orthodox" or
some other branch. The same thing is true of the Protestant religion,
which has about 20 different churches in the United States alone, each
targeting a different group. There are only three religions that have
"gone viral" and become virtually universal: Catholicism, Sunni Islam
and Buddhism. For example, in China, you'll find plenty of Catholics,
plenty of Sunni Muslims, and plenty of Buddhists, but few Greek
Orthodox or Shia Muslims or Hindus. Orthodox Wiki
and Catholic World Report and World Council of Churches and National Catholic Register


KEYS: Generational Dynamics, Orthodox Christianity,
Great and Holy Council, GHC, Seventh Ecumenical Council,
Patriarch Bartholomew I, Constantinople, Istanbul,
Patriarch Kirill, Bulgaria, Russia, Ukraine, Crimea,
Nicolai Lenin, Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov,
Caesar Flavius Constantine, Rome, Oriental Orthodox Christianity,
iconoclast, iconophile, Charlie Hebdo, Islam, Crusades,
Society of St. Pius X, SSPX, Pope John Paul, Pope Francis

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