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Generational Dynamics World View
** 09-Aug-2019 World View: Resolving Ireland differences


utahbob Wrote:> John, In Northern Ireland, it would not be smooth sailing for the
> Republic of Ireland to expand and absorb the north. I have family
> in the North who are Nationalist and some Republicans. It goes
> back generations and that is part of the reason I am in
> America. Many who favor a united Ireland are looking at their
> wallets very carefully and into the future now. The romantic view
> of historical destiny for a united 32 counties is smacking up
> against reality. Ireland is notionally Irish in reality. Not many
> speak Irish anymore. Polish is the second common language in
> Ireland. It is not a requirement for employment in the government
> now. Irish culture is going to the wayside and with massive
> immigration, the new comers are not embracing it. It may be united
> due to the sentiment of sticking it in the British eye, right past
> wrongs but at a high cost. How long will those cost be borne is
> anybody’s guess. I doubt it will not happen now, since the cost to
> placate the Unionist (nothing will win over the loyalists) will be
> too high. Only a long term demographic shift over two or three
> generations (births/babies) to the nationalist/republican side
> could possibly make this happen. The Good Friday agreement was a
> good fudge for the situation of the day, but that day is
> gone.

I guess the most shocking thing about what you've written is that
Polish is spoken more than Gaelic. Is that really true?

It's been my opinion for over a year that the Brexit debate will end
with a "no-deal Brexit." The reason is that a no-deal Brexit is the
default option, and therefore it's the only option that doesn't
require any group to negotiate and compromise with another group, and
Gen-Xers are unable to negotiate and compromise.

A lot of people think we're still in the 1990s, when the World War II
survivors were running things. Those people were able to negotiate
and compromise. But Gen-Xers are completely lacking in those skills,
and replace them with total contempt and hatred for anyone who doesn't
agree with them.

So, Boris Johnson is in charge in Britain, and he favors the default
option, which is no-deal Brexit on October 31. This is putting other
politicians (the "remainers") into a panic, because once Brexit
occurs, it's irrevocable.

It's sorta funny that after the referendum passed in 2016, I wrote
repeatedly that there was no solution to the Irish border problem --
not that no politician was clever enough to find a solution, but that
no solution exists, given the imposed restraints (no tariffs between
Ireland and Northern Ireland, and no tariffs between Northern Ireland
and England, and Britain not in the EU).

So now it's the Irish border problem that's forcing the no-deal
Brexit. But of course that doesn't solve the Irish border problem
either. There will still be tariffs and border posts separating
Ireland and Northern Ireland.

So trying to reunify Ireland would be a move of desperation. If it
could be accomplished, then Northern Ireland and Ireland would both be
in the EU (as they are today), so there would be no tariffs or border
posts within Ireland.

From the point of view of Generational Dynamics, the split in Ireland
is a manifestation of the fault line between the indigenous Gaelic
population vs the Scottish and English invaders. There have been
centuries of generational crisis wars between these two populations,
and the Gaelics have accused the English of genocide and ethnic
cleansing.

So there's a great deal of hatred and animosity between these groups,
as evidenced by the continuing violent clashes in "The Troubles,"
which were only resolved by the Good Friday agreement in 1998.

So you say that your family is on both sides -- the Nationalists
(descendants of the invaders) and the Republicans (the indigenous
Gaelics). So it must be a very interesting story about why you fled
to America.

So as you say, "it would not be smooth sailing for the Republic of
Ireland to expand and absorb the north." However, to be fair, that's
what Leo Varadkar is specifically rejecting. He's proposing a whole
new Ireland, with a new constitution, which resolves such differences
as languages, anthems, currencies, measurements, flags and capitals.

That's a tall order, and it shouldn't take more than a century to
reach agreement on all those issues.

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