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Gray Champion Predictions
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(05-19-2019, 06:13 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(05-19-2019, 02:22 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: Hitler might have stayed an eccentric, extremist but powerless and hence not very dangerous painter if WW1 had not happened. But Wilson's idiotic politics messed up Europe, discredited the European Missionaries (and Progressives) too obviously, and created a vacuum Hitler etc. filled.

It's the same today with the Middle East: Dubya and Obama destroyed the old regimes and prepared the soil for ISIS and AQ. Osama is dead, but there are enough younger Islamists waiting to take over. If you want to know who'll be responsible for WW3, look among their younger generations.

I don't know if you will be open to what I say, if you believe the troll's incessant lies and self-justifying arguments about me, or given what you said, but being a fairly well-informed student of history and the news, as I see it there are corrections to be made in your statement, as well as some things correct. Of course Mr. Brower made a very astute list of names in his post above, so kudoes to him for that.

Your first sentence is good; no Hitler without WWI. That is very widely-held consensus. But Wilson's idiotic policies? I don't share that interpretation. I don't think Germany could have been allowed to win WWI; that would have militarized and regressed Europe, perhaps not as drastically as the Nazis tried to do. The defeated powers would not have been reconciled to a Germany-dominated Europe either. I could be wrong on all that, but assuming I'm not, then Wilson did the right thing by envisioning and acting on what needed to replace the defeated empires. It was time for democracy to advance, and for the world to develop a world-governing body. The soldiers who died in the trenches, died as sacrifices for the new world civilization still being born. We can't and should not have continued a world of nationalist empires battling for world conquest. Those fallen Central Powers, plus the fallen Russian one, were already long outdated relics of a failed age.

Hitler rallied his nation to oppose the Versailles Treaty. Its retaliatory and punishing provisions were opposed by Wilson, and imposed by Clemenceau and David Lloyd George. Italy came away mad too that it didn't get what it fought for. Wilson was not at fault for any of that.

Maybe there are parallels with WWI today in the Middle East. The whole Middle East turmoil emerged from the fall of the Ottoman Empire in WWI too. Dubya certainly prepared the soil for ISIS by overthrowing Saddam and invading his country. But Al Qaeda already existed in 2003. Dubya and Obama did not pave the way for them. It's very possible that another war is going to break out in the middle east region at the end of 2020, but the US may not be involved in that or any other foreign war until 2025. These will not be nuclear wars though. We will come out of the 4T climax in better shape than we went into it. I am wearing my prophet hat now when I point those things out, so if I'm wrong, we'll all know it together.
He has you on ignore for other reasons not connected to "the troll" as you call several people here who call you out on certain topics. Eric, your previous comments on the other forum before it got shut down do not make them untrue. Quite a few regulars were disgusted. Bob was there, kinser as it was about his partner at the time, and you had zero support for what you were saying. You have either forgotten as it was a few years ago, or this is convenience. You do not seem to be aware that it was terrible either way. I will give you a pass and say you have forgotten and don't realize it is wrong as no one is that ignorant, surely. But those who have been sexually attacked, should defend themselves if they have vocalized displeasure and it is ignored. You said at the time, that it is a crime that people cant be more "loving" to one another freely. That is not loving. That is claiming and not getting to know the person prior. If that makes me a troll to just point out what you stood for and speaking the truth, go for it. Call me that. As everyone there was quite unsupportive of what you said, it says a lot. We will say you have forgotten it, but this is why I do not respect you. Because of what you had supported.
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Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 11-14-2018, 04:58 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-14-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 11-14-2018, 05:34 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 11-15-2018, 06:38 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 11-15-2018, 06:56 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 11-15-2018, 07:59 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-16-2018, 04:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by sbarrera - 11-16-2018, 09:03 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-16-2018, 11:51 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by sbarrera - 11-16-2018, 09:07 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 03-18-2019, 12:52 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 03-19-2019, 09:36 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-12-2019, 02:17 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 04-25-2019, 05:03 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-14-2019, 08:49 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-15-2019, 01:43 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-15-2019, 03:30 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-18-2019, 07:28 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-19-2019, 04:08 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-20-2019, 09:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-20-2019, 10:55 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-27-2019, 07:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 08:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 04-30-2019, 10:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-30-2019, 10:45 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 01:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-30-2019, 03:59 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-01-2019, 02:42 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 05:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-01-2019, 12:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-19-2019, 09:34 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-19-2019, 06:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-19-2019, 02:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-19-2019, 06:13 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 05-19-2019, 06:31 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-19-2019, 02:34 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-20-2019, 11:29 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-20-2019, 11:40 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-22-2019, 06:35 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-29-2019, 08:37 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-30-2019, 10:54 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-30-2019, 02:16 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-31-2019, 06:54 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 06-01-2019, 07:45 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-29-2019, 06:25 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-30-2019, 03:29 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-30-2019, 07:02 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-31-2019, 01:15 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-01-2019, 08:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 06-01-2019, 09:28 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 06-02-2019, 01:16 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 06-15-2019, 12:46 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Skabungus - 06-19-2019, 08:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-25-2019, 02:09 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-25-2019, 09:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-26-2019, 11:47 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-30-2019, 03:50 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Warren Dew - 06-30-2019, 06:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-26-2019, 04:23 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-27-2019, 12:54 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-27-2019, 01:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-28-2019, 01:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-28-2019, 06:55 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 02:48 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 06-30-2019, 03:38 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 04:02 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 06-30-2019, 04:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 04:44 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 06-30-2019, 04:52 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 05:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 06-30-2019, 05:43 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-27-2019, 06:42 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 03:13 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-30-2019, 11:56 AM

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