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Gray Champion Predictions
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(05-20-2019, 09:26 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-18-2019, 07:28 PM)Hintergrund Wrote:
(05-15-2019, 01:43 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:
(05-14-2019, 08:49 PM)Hintergrund Wrote:
(04-24-2019, 03:22 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: Let me remind you that the grey champion isn't always the good guy. In Germany the grey champion was Hitler; keep that in mind. In the Soviet Union, the grey champion was Stalin. Sometimes the grey champion turns out to be evil.

Hitler wasn't old enough to be a GC.

I would argue that Hitler was a bit of an anomaly due to the fact that the majority of the Missionary leadership in Germany was swept away after WW1.  They were too tied up into the Kaiser and later the communist uprisings that the German Losts put down.

The Lost started in 1883, Hitler was born 1889 - but even today, trends from the US usually take five years to arrive in Europe. And Hitler was born in a backwater if there was one. Maybe he was a late Missionary, so to speak?

He was an oddball anyway: While his comrades in the army drank and smoked and cursed and probably went to brothels, as you'd expect from Lost, he... didn't.

His narcissism and fanaticism definitely fit a "Prophet" better than a Nomad.

One could argue that Hitler was a cusper.  Having read Mein Kampf I would say he likely was, but his primary drives were Lost in nature.

Howe and Strauss have 1882 as the last year of the Missionary Generation and 1883 as the first year of the Lost. They used historical figures to divide eras of the births of generations, and 1882 includes FDR, who has some Reactive characteristics (somewhat devious and pragmatic) to separate him from such people as Pierre Laval and Benito Mussolini. They could have conceivably drawn the line between FDR and others at or near FDR's birthday, as 1882 had some nasty people -- Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel, who Nazified the Wehrmacht and made it culpable in the Holocaust and other horrific war crimes, piece-of-work Brazilian dictator Getulio Vargas, and Ion Antonescu, Romanian dictator (Conducator, practically a translation of Fuehrer) culpable in horrific crimes under his rule in western Ukraine (including of course the Holocaust).  Such fascists as Quisling, Tiso, Pavelic, Szalasi, Mussert, Doriot, Deat, and Franco follow. So does the would-be British quisling Sir Oswald Moseley, and the horrid American David Curtis Stephenson, the Indiana Grand Dragon who has much in common with Hitler. America's Chinese wartime ally Chiang Kai-Shek was utterly amoral... and Stalin's vilest henchmen both in the Soviet Union (Beria, Vishinsky, and Kaganovich)  and in the bolshevization of eastern Europe are also from this generation. The hideous lot continues to about 1900, including Josef Goebbels, Hans Frank, and above all Heinrich Himmler.

Sure, there were heroes, especially the military ones -- Eisenhower, Bradley, Clark, Patton, Montgomery, Wingate, DeGaulle, Zhukov... Rommel was at fault only for serving the wrong country. Truman may have been decent enough, but he knew how flawed Humanity could be and did not pretend to righteousness as a political tool. Literary figures of this generation often had big problems (F. Scott Fitzgerald, E. Hemingway, D. Parker, E. Pound)

I knew the Lost mostly as pensioners -- harmless people, largely -- who harbored no pretensions to greatness. But I look at the history book and I see the Lost who got major political leadership as a troubled lot.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 11-14-2018, 04:58 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-14-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 11-14-2018, 05:34 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 11-15-2018, 06:38 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 11-15-2018, 06:56 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 11-15-2018, 07:59 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-16-2018, 04:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by sbarrera - 11-16-2018, 09:03 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-16-2018, 11:51 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by sbarrera - 11-16-2018, 09:07 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 03-18-2019, 12:52 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 03-19-2019, 09:36 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Snowflake1996 - 04-10-2019, 06:43 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Snowflake1996 - 04-12-2019, 11:43 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-12-2019, 02:17 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 04-25-2019, 05:03 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-14-2019, 08:49 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-15-2019, 01:43 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-15-2019, 03:30 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-18-2019, 07:28 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-19-2019, 04:08 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-20-2019, 09:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-20-2019, 10:55 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-27-2019, 07:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 08:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 04-30-2019, 10:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-30-2019, 10:45 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 01:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-30-2019, 03:59 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-01-2019, 02:42 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 05:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-01-2019, 12:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-19-2019, 09:34 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-19-2019, 06:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-19-2019, 02:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-19-2019, 06:13 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 05-19-2019, 06:31 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-19-2019, 02:34 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-20-2019, 11:29 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-20-2019, 11:40 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-22-2019, 06:35 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-29-2019, 08:37 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-30-2019, 10:54 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-30-2019, 02:16 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-31-2019, 06:54 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 06-01-2019, 07:45 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-29-2019, 06:25 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-30-2019, 03:29 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-30-2019, 07:02 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-31-2019, 01:15 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-01-2019, 08:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 06-01-2019, 09:28 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 06-02-2019, 01:16 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 06-15-2019, 12:46 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Skabungus - 06-19-2019, 08:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-25-2019, 02:09 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-25-2019, 09:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-26-2019, 11:47 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-30-2019, 03:50 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Warren Dew - 06-30-2019, 06:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-26-2019, 04:23 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-27-2019, 12:54 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-27-2019, 01:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-28-2019, 01:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-28-2019, 06:55 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 02:48 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 06-30-2019, 03:38 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 04:02 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 06-30-2019, 04:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 04:44 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 06-30-2019, 04:52 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 05:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by taramarie - 06-30-2019, 05:43 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-27-2019, 06:42 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 03:13 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-30-2019, 11:56 AM

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