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Gray Champion Predictions
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(06-25-2019, 09:29 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(06-25-2019, 02:09 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(06-19-2019, 08:26 AM)Skabungus Wrote: The Gray Champion...  From the very first time I read S&H I made the assumption that the Gray Champion did not refer to a certain individual, but rather intended a broad reference to many persons of a certain age that possessed the knowledge, foresight and fortitude to serve in the role.  I still believe that is how S&H intended the term "Gray Champion" to be interpreted and applied.  I find the idea of a singular GC to be awfully simplistic.  In the 21st century shouldn't we be beyond seeking "the anointed one"?

Exactly!  Expecting to find a single human to fill that role is expecting a miracle.  Of course, citing examples of GC behavior is something we should be doing.  Just keep it at that level.

Some that I propose as Grey Champions for their countries:
  • Otto von Bismarck, Germany
  • Meiji, Japan
  • Giuseppe Garibaldi, Italy
  • Abraham Lincoln, USA
  • Benito Juarez, Mexico
  • Winston Churchill, UK
  • Franklin Roosevelt, USA
  • Karl Mannerheim, Finland
  • Karl Renner, Austria
  • Mohandas Gandhi, India
  • Konrad Adenauer, German Federal Republic
These men (what is to say that a woman could not do this?) are all Idealists who got their countries through or out of Crises, reshaping their countries in lasting ways. They are all Idealists, and they utterly dominated the political process without being discredited.

Serving as foci of resistance to occupiers? There are Haakon VII of Norway, Christian X of Denmark, and Wilhelmina of the Netherlands. All three of these were royals as heads of democratic orders.

All valid, but less helpful to us today. What we need is a list of potential GCs who will/may influence the direction of the current 4T, its climax and the emerging 1T. Other than Trump and Bernie Sanders, the list is pretty short. I guess Elizabeth Warren may make the cut, but she's more of a policy wonk than inspirational leader. We also used to have culture leaders, but I can't think of any that makes the list today … none! It's like the entire nation is in a state of limbo, with drift being the most pronounced direction.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 11-14-2018, 04:58 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-14-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 11-14-2018, 05:34 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 11-15-2018, 06:38 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 11-15-2018, 06:56 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 11-15-2018, 07:59 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-16-2018, 04:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by sbarrera - 11-16-2018, 09:03 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-16-2018, 11:51 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by sbarrera - 11-16-2018, 09:07 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 03-18-2019, 12:52 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 03-19-2019, 09:36 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-12-2019, 02:17 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 04-25-2019, 05:03 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-14-2019, 08:49 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-15-2019, 01:43 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-15-2019, 03:30 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-18-2019, 07:28 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-19-2019, 04:08 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-20-2019, 09:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-20-2019, 10:55 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-27-2019, 07:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 08:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 04-30-2019, 10:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-30-2019, 10:45 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 01:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-30-2019, 03:59 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-01-2019, 02:42 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 05:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-01-2019, 12:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-19-2019, 09:34 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-19-2019, 06:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-19-2019, 02:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-19-2019, 06:13 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-19-2019, 02:34 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-20-2019, 11:29 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-20-2019, 11:40 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-22-2019, 06:35 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-29-2019, 08:37 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-30-2019, 10:54 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-30-2019, 02:16 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-31-2019, 06:54 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 06-01-2019, 07:45 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-29-2019, 06:25 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-30-2019, 03:29 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-30-2019, 07:02 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-31-2019, 01:15 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-01-2019, 08:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 06-01-2019, 09:28 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 06-02-2019, 01:16 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Skabungus - 06-19-2019, 08:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-25-2019, 02:09 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-25-2019, 09:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-26-2019, 11:47 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-30-2019, 03:50 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Warren Dew - 06-30-2019, 06:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 05-20-2020, 05:49 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-20-2020, 09:51 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-20-2020, 09:53 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 05-21-2020, 04:15 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 07-09-2020, 01:57 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-09-2020, 03:24 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020, 12:49 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-26-2019, 04:23 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-27-2019, 12:54 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-27-2019, 01:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-28-2019, 01:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-28-2019, 06:55 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 02:48 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-27-2019, 06:42 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 03:13 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-30-2019, 11:56 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by LPDec63 - 05-20-2020, 11:03 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020, 01:06 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by User3451 - 07-09-2020, 08:18 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020, 12:57 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by User3451 - 07-10-2020, 09:38 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020, 10:45 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-11-2020, 06:16 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by User3451 - 07-11-2020, 11:48 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-12-2020, 07:11 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 07-13-2020, 12:27 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 08-07-2020, 12:50 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 08-07-2020, 11:13 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 08-07-2020, 10:50 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 08-13-2020, 03:36 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by RadianMay - 08-13-2020, 07:14 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 08-14-2020, 11:25 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020, 06:50 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 07-10-2020, 07:54 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by User3451 - 07-10-2020, 09:49 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-11-2020, 01:29 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by GeekyCynic - 07-11-2020, 03:09 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-11-2020, 03:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-11-2020, 06:48 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 07-11-2020, 11:59 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-12-2020, 07:08 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-12-2020, 11:22 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-13-2020, 11:38 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by User3451 - 07-12-2020, 08:34 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-12-2020, 09:26 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 07-12-2020, 10:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-13-2020, 11:46 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-14-2020, 06:30 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-14-2020, 01:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-15-2020, 09:11 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-15-2020, 10:19 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-15-2020, 11:32 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 08-07-2020, 11:10 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 07-14-2020, 02:03 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by GeekyCynic - 07-12-2020, 01:11 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-12-2020, 02:36 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-13-2020, 11:39 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by GeekyCynic - 07-12-2020, 05:36 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 08-17-2020, 06:48 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 08-18-2020, 12:38 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 08-21-2020, 06:38 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 08-22-2020, 07:46 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 08-23-2020, 01:20 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 08-23-2020, 06:46 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 08-18-2020, 11:15 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by RadianMay - 08-18-2020, 07:51 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 08-19-2020, 09:12 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 08-21-2020, 06:42 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-21-2020, 09:58 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 08-22-2020, 02:30 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-22-2020, 05:47 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 08-27-2020, 03:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by JasonBlack - 03-17-2022, 04:19 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 03-17-2022, 05:01 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 03-18-2022, 09:01 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by JasonBlack - 03-18-2022, 08:00 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 03-19-2022, 08:50 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by JasonBlack - 03-19-2022, 09:27 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 03-20-2022, 02:51 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 03-20-2022, 03:05 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 03-20-2022, 08:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by JasonBlack - 03-20-2022, 02:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 03-20-2022, 04:58 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Anthony '58 - 08-31-2022, 11:08 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 08-31-2022, 12:20 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Anthony '58 - 08-31-2022, 01:09 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 09-01-2022, 04:56 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by JasonBlack - 09-01-2022, 12:49 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 09-01-2022, 03:00 PM

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