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Gray Champion Predictions
(07-12-2020, 11:22 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(07-11-2020, 11:59 AM)TnT Wrote:
(07-11-2020, 06:48 AM)David Horn Wrote: This is certainly true.  Actions will determine the result.  To be honest, Trump is a potential GC.  Neither of us appreciate the change he wants to create, but he's all change, that's for sure. 

If the Trumpists prevail, the 1T "consensus" could indeed be authoritarianism.

I am dubious.  During the 3T, there is supposed to be a intense and seemingly endless debate which defines and refines the old and the new values. This time, the red is the old and the blue the new.  There is a bad president that demonstrates why the old values are really really bad.  There is a grey champion who then leads in implementing the new.  From the way the crisis issues are going, I don't see the old values winning out.  Trump is apt to join Buchanan and Hoover in showing a failure of the old values.  We'll see if the power of the times forces Biden to grow.

This is less so this time. Trump, for all his faults, is not the standard bearer of the old GOP. He's an isolationist (not a common position since the 1950s). For the rich, he's an extreme libertarian. For the rest of us, he's an authoritarian. He's not quite a Fascist, since actually commanding people to do things is not his shtick. He's totally different, yet he has the party by the neck.

So we have two competing change modalities instead of the typical one. I think we can agree that the old GOP is dead by choice, so we get change T or change B. All bets are on change B. The Biden change had better be a lot more than cheap talk and eyewash, or it may be change T without Trump in 2024.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 11-14-2018, 04:58 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-14-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 11-14-2018, 05:34 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 11-15-2018, 06:38 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 11-15-2018, 06:56 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 11-15-2018, 07:59 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-16-2018, 04:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by sbarrera - 11-16-2018, 09:03 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Marypoza - 11-16-2018, 11:51 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by sbarrera - 11-16-2018, 09:07 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 03-18-2019, 12:52 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 03-19-2019, 09:36 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-12-2019, 02:17 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 04-25-2019, 05:03 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-14-2019, 08:49 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-15-2019, 01:43 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-15-2019, 03:30 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-18-2019, 07:28 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-19-2019, 04:08 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-20-2019, 09:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-20-2019, 10:55 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-27-2019, 07:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 08:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 04-30-2019, 10:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-30-2019, 10:45 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 01:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 04-30-2019, 03:59 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-01-2019, 02:42 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 04-30-2019, 05:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-01-2019, 12:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-19-2019, 09:34 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-19-2019, 06:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-19-2019, 02:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-19-2019, 06:13 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-19-2019, 02:34 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-20-2019, 11:29 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-20-2019, 11:40 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-22-2019, 06:35 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-29-2019, 08:37 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-30-2019, 10:54 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-30-2019, 02:16 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 05-31-2019, 06:54 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 06-01-2019, 07:45 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-29-2019, 06:25 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 05-30-2019, 03:29 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 05-30-2019, 07:02 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-31-2019, 01:15 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-01-2019, 08:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Hintergrund - 06-01-2019, 09:28 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by freivolk - 06-02-2019, 01:16 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Skabungus - 06-19-2019, 08:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-25-2019, 02:09 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-25-2019, 09:29 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-26-2019, 11:47 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-30-2019, 03:50 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Warren Dew - 06-30-2019, 06:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 05-20-2020, 05:49 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 05-20-2020, 09:51 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Kinser79 - 05-20-2020, 09:53 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 05-21-2020, 04:15 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 07-09-2020, 01:57 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-09-2020, 03:24 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020, 12:49 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-26-2019, 04:23 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-27-2019, 12:54 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-27-2019, 01:21 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-28-2019, 01:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 06-28-2019, 06:55 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 02:48 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-27-2019, 06:42 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bill the Piper - 06-30-2019, 03:13 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 06-30-2019, 11:56 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by LPDec63 - 05-20-2020, 11:03 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020, 01:06 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by User3451 - 07-09-2020, 08:18 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020, 12:57 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by User3451 - 07-10-2020, 09:38 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020, 10:45 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-11-2020, 06:16 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by User3451 - 07-11-2020, 11:48 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-12-2020, 07:11 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 07-13-2020, 12:27 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 08-07-2020, 12:50 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 08-07-2020, 11:13 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 08-07-2020, 10:50 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 08-13-2020, 03:36 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by RadianMay - 08-13-2020, 07:14 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 08-14-2020, 11:25 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-10-2020, 06:50 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 07-10-2020, 07:54 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by User3451 - 07-10-2020, 09:49 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-11-2020, 01:29 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by GeekyCynic - 07-11-2020, 03:09 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-11-2020, 03:26 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-11-2020, 06:48 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 07-11-2020, 11:59 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-12-2020, 07:08 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-12-2020, 11:22 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-13-2020, 11:38 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by User3451 - 07-12-2020, 08:34 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-12-2020, 09:26 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 07-12-2020, 10:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-13-2020, 11:46 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-14-2020, 06:30 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-14-2020, 01:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-15-2020, 09:11 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-15-2020, 10:19 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-15-2020, 11:32 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 08-07-2020, 11:10 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 07-14-2020, 02:03 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by GeekyCynic - 07-12-2020, 01:11 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 07-12-2020, 02:36 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 07-13-2020, 11:39 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by GeekyCynic - 07-12-2020, 05:36 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 08-17-2020, 06:48 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 08-18-2020, 12:38 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 08-21-2020, 06:38 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 08-22-2020, 07:46 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 08-23-2020, 01:20 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 08-23-2020, 06:46 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 08-18-2020, 11:15 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by RadianMay - 08-18-2020, 07:51 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 08-19-2020, 09:12 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 08-21-2020, 06:42 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-21-2020, 09:58 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by TnT - 08-22-2020, 02:30 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Bob Butler 54 - 08-22-2020, 05:47 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by jleagans - 08-27-2020, 03:21 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by JasonBlack - 03-17-2022, 04:19 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 03-17-2022, 05:01 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 03-18-2022, 09:01 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by JasonBlack - 03-18-2022, 08:00 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 03-19-2022, 08:50 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by JasonBlack - 03-19-2022, 09:27 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 03-20-2022, 02:51 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 03-20-2022, 03:05 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by David Horn - 03-20-2022, 08:18 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by JasonBlack - 03-20-2022, 02:22 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Eric the Green - 03-20-2022, 04:58 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Anthony '58 - 08-31-2022, 11:08 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 08-31-2022, 12:20 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by Anthony '58 - 08-31-2022, 01:09 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 09-01-2022, 04:56 AM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by JasonBlack - 09-01-2022, 12:49 PM
RE: Gray Champion Predictions - by pbrower2a - 09-01-2022, 03:00 PM

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