11-24-2016, 07:16 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-24-2016, 07:20 PM by Eric the Green.)
Of course, I also embrace a somewhat-different view about values and evolution, which I have referred you to before Bob, and it's a bit more tolerant than a strictly-progressive view, although you have given me no indication that you have read about it here:
http://philosopherswheel.com/planetarydynamics.html
But it's a very interesting and applicable view to what's going on and the discussion of stubbornly-held valus, and there are links to other authors there too who might not have my more-symbolic take on it. It's called spiral dynamics and integral philosophy, and suggests that although values succeed each other dynamically through progress, each new values meme both transcends and includes the previous ones. So, the question is how can we battle the previous values meme, and yet respect it and honor its place within an integrated whole? I'm not sure how that works, except as you say to at least respect the value of previous values memes (called vmemes for short in spiral dynamics).
The Green meme of all-one-people on one-green-planet is the top of the scale, and sometimes includes also what I inserted called the Lemon-colored meme (socialist). But beyond and above the Green meme are the integral memes (labelled Yellow and Turquoise) in which all the memes up and down the scale are seen as parts of a dynamic whole, each in its place in a "nested hierarchy."
Stretching below the Green (and Lemon) memes of course are the Orange Meme (competition/capitalist industry), the Brown Meme which I have inserted (secular or royal state), the Blue Meme (moral authority), the Red Meme (male war gods and emperors), the Pink Meme which I have inserted (agricultural, feminine fruitfulness), the Purple Meme (tribal and magical thinking) and the Beige Meme (instinctive).
http://philosopherswheel.com/planetarydynamics.html
But it's a very interesting and applicable view to what's going on and the discussion of stubbornly-held valus, and there are links to other authors there too who might not have my more-symbolic take on it. It's called spiral dynamics and integral philosophy, and suggests that although values succeed each other dynamically through progress, each new values meme both transcends and includes the previous ones. So, the question is how can we battle the previous values meme, and yet respect it and honor its place within an integrated whole? I'm not sure how that works, except as you say to at least respect the value of previous values memes (called vmemes for short in spiral dynamics).
The Green meme of all-one-people on one-green-planet is the top of the scale, and sometimes includes also what I inserted called the Lemon-colored meme (socialist). But beyond and above the Green meme are the integral memes (labelled Yellow and Turquoise) in which all the memes up and down the scale are seen as parts of a dynamic whole, each in its place in a "nested hierarchy."
Stretching below the Green (and Lemon) memes of course are the Orange Meme (competition/capitalist industry), the Brown Meme which I have inserted (secular or royal state), the Blue Meme (moral authority), the Red Meme (male war gods and emperors), the Pink Meme which I have inserted (agricultural, feminine fruitfulness), the Purple Meme (tribal and magical thinking) and the Beige Meme (instinctive).