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Millennials and GenZ horribly misidentified
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Eric you changed how you phrased things so that you don't have to confront the truth that you are super closed minded yourself.
This very same "i'm super tolerant and open minded.... towards myself and those who agree with me" attitude is absolutely characteristic of the millennial cohort.
Also again you did nothing to address the points i made previously. 2001 isn't something i personally regard as something big, but something that is OBJECTIVELY the marker of an actual new historic era.
-So you have no arguments based on psychological development since people born 95 and 99 had very different psychological factors growing up, while 98 and 03 have not.
-You have no arguments from a historical perspective, because the 9/11 attacks are already the defining event of the early 21st century, marking an actual new historic era, like columbus landing in america.
-You have no arguments from a policy perspective, because 9/11 literally changed internal and external policy everywhere around the globe and has been used everywhere to erode freedoms and very suddenly and very rapidly push the current political climate towards somethuing unbearable by the populace.
-Your only argument is that the crash affected people's lives more, but this is nonsense to base a generational divide around 2003 on, because people born after 2000 would not have been aware enough to notice anything, and because as i said actual economic data shows that completely opposed to 29, 08 was just a drop on a downward graph for literally every person involved.
Also, the current cycle ending in 28 wouldn't prove your point either since there is no fixed rule about how long a crisis period can last.

"But I don't think we gave up our freedom, because we didn't have more attacks, and so more oppression than we got was not needed."
What on earth are you talking about. Have you read any of what i wrote. Gitmo, enhanced interrogation, Snowden, etc etc etc
'Global terror threat' which was the phenomenon introduced then, was and is still used to further and further curtail freedoms. Except recently it's also other things, because useful idiots will immediately also want to censor any view opposing theirs.


I agree that overall 2008 was an important event in propagating the crisis, but the crisis was already there. Keep in mind that the crisis doesn't have to be one single topic.

And also keep in mind that the current hero generation are the "impotent heroes", because basically none of the protest actions millennials organized ever did anything. Combine this with the "active measures" the USSR took way back in the 60s finally bearing fruit, and thus people not simply rebelling against the current system but any sort of structure and the rise of conflicting group identities as a social rallying point. Do all this and you can see that to simply categorize the millennials as the cohort that is going to do the turning and the turning as "just another one of those 4th turnings" is just flat out wrong. The power dynamics are not in favor of millennials. They do not have the means or unity to change society thanks to their historical and personal circumstances.
The only protest that *might possibly* lead to actual change and steer society away from the current self destructive orthodoxy in its limited scope, is the current yellow vest protests. They are the first place where the identitarian splits among the people who want to do something about the situation dissolved for a bit. This is a necessity to actually produce historically significant societal impact.
And even those have genX and before heavily involved.

A large part of why this current 4th turning is different and why you can't just deal with it as simply as before is due to the fact that the elite of society guarding the current orthodoxy, because it's profitable to them, are more entrenched and more powerful than the rest, and there isn't really anyone opposing them apart from the people. There are a couple of forward thinking individuals who are actually in touch with current society, but they also aren't exactly normal like elon musk the genX er.

There isn't a single part of the world you can point to that isn't embroiled in social or physical conflict at the moment, and tensions are at an absolute all time high, but these conflicts are all internal. They are things that you can't just solve by heroic action, a call to arms, or anything, because society is fairly evenly split.
Jill Stein didn't even come close to getting elected. And over half of america happily voted for the personification of current globalist orthodoxy and corporate special interest groups, Hillary. And the other option, Trump, wasn't even a hardline opposition to the corporate part of things either, even though he was the one less backed by special interest groups. And the third option? Bernie? He wholeheartedly buys into the identitarian bullshit that is responsible for the masses being split and things like the yelow vests being rare. Not to mention that he folded and readily accepted anything that the political overlords demanded.

And this isn't just restricted to US politics mind you.
Look at britain with ever new draconian surveillance laws introduced that makes you think that once they're out of the EU they're gonna reenact 1984 or mad max within a decade. Where's the massive opposition to this?
Look at france. It's been half a year and the protests still barely accomplished anything, even though they were the most effective and most extensive and most brutal in the past decades.
Look at the EU with it being universally hated. By germany because everyone seems to profit off off them, and by everyone else because germany is making itself out to be the despotic ruler of the continent again. But still it remains in power and what can one do?
Look at central europe with everyone banding more and more together against the EU but all still wholly remaining in it and supporting it.
Look at south america with the political split similar to the US.
Look at china with people being more and more discontent and the party being less and less able to keep up the facade, but at the same time also having more and more ability to suppress the populace.
Look at russia with increasingly aggressive imperialist policies, increasing fondness of soviet memories, but at the same time a populace incredibly wary of where this all will go.
Look at southeast asia, with internal conflicts and minority problems and rampant corruption and absolute madmen getting power because of this but still absolutely no ideas for solutions in sight.
Look at japan with the demographic crisis that has been looming for the past 30 years, but still absolutely no solution in sight, and absolutely no sign of bad policies and social trends being challenged.
Look at the middle east where thanks to the US meddling every damn hopeful democratic revolution basically resulted in something even worse than before.
Look at southafrica, which is getting increasingly racist and faces no opposition.
Look at the rest of africa which is being gradually recolonized by china, and literally no one is doing anything against it.

I do not know how the turning could actually go ahead without an actual civil war breaking out literally everywhere, spontaneously, without support, and without hope. (cuz the populace of the world is super lethargic. even the heroes don't *really* want to give their lives for change)
There are simply no options available for things to actually start going well suddenly. Nowhere. So we have two options:
-Either this all continues this way to a gradual meltdown and the entire world just becomes a dystopia and in a generation we can face global war again because of the resulting conflict coming not from the populace but just the interest groups, but with all of the populace just having hellish living conditions as a basis.
-Or things just cool down, and things get very gradually reformed instead of revolutionized.
Neither of this will result in a classic turning during the next decade.

The way things are currently headed the second one seems a bit more likely, with marginally more people rejecting the orthodoxy than accepting it (Trump/Brexit/ChinaTradewar/CentralEUUnion/GradualReform in ME/YellowVests)

TL;DR: The classic definition of these last two generational cohorts doesn't work, because there is no power and no option to actually carry out big societal change, and not enough pull into a single direction in any topic (apart from yellow vests) to actually affect any change anywhere. Therefore you can't view these generations classically anyway. So to just rigidly categorize them based on time intervals is nonsense anyway.


Also to the people turning this into a gun debate: No.

Mass shootings don't even enter into it they're just a part of dumb as fuck american culture and have been for quite a while now, same as massive fuckups from authorities. ISIL, black hawk, waco, cuba, ... You can go back to basically the start of the current cycle to still find examples of similar things, therefore it's irrelevant. And for gun crime even further.
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RE: Millennials and GenZ horribly misidentified - by NobodyImportant - 05-07-2019, 04:56 AM

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