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What are your specialities?
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(09-20-2019, 02:26 AM)Ldr Wrote:
(09-19-2019, 02:59 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: My point of view is that causality in the mechanical/biological sense is no longer necessary to establish the validity of a cycle. Correspondences in time with events will do. The world does not operate on mechanical causation alone. There is not only quantum probability involved, but in the new age we recognize again the presence of life and human consciousness that is observing the supposed causation, not just mechanical events conceived on the model of our own manipulation of the world. Human factors are the main element in any valid theory of human and social behavior, not the behavior of lemmings. Hormones are a part of human functioning and consciousness though, so I agree it can be integrated into a theory of social and human behavior, and things like alcohol use and parenting practices are created by social trends and human choice, and thus so are hormone levels.

I'm not too sure about your chart. It would seem the peasant rebellion in the early 1520s was pretty substantial and deadly, although it was the start of a reformation movement trend that arguably peaked in the 1570s. I see that it only measures England though; a global chart would be better. Also, I doubt the accuracy of the death count on Mike's chart. The Taiping Rebellion may have been the most deadly until the world wars.

Thanks Eric for your thoughts.

I agree to a degree, but are we that different from lemmings? The statistics in the generational hormone theory illustrate that breastfeeding initiation, maternal age and parenting intensity are all dictated by hormone levels, when looking at a nation as a whole. Humans think they make their own decisions. But how can one assume that this is true, as the national statistics imply that these decisions are actually made by hormone levels. And if something as personal (as when to have children or how much time to spend with them) is actually no more than an average number, what does this say about free will? Humans are controlled by their hormone levels. Their personality is defined by their hormone levels, and the generational hormone levels define the generation's personality -> thus we have the generational archetypes. Just like lemmings do, they have generational traits in behavior, it's the same.

One can talk about culture, art or politics all day, but in the end, even these preferences are largely defined by hormone levels. The culture and ideologies are already there when a generation is born. The generation either chooses to embrace the current societal norms (like the 3rd generation often does) or rebel against them (like the 1st generation tends to do). But since no individual gets to choose which generation they're born into, they are destined to go with that generation from start to end. Only extreme cases, like individuals who do not conform and/or have most of their friends from other generations, they may escape outside their generation. But this is very rare, which is why the generations have such strong traits that manifest themselves in every generation.

You should note that hormones define every action and reaction. Once you start to think about this sentence and how profoundly it defines individual actions, only then can one appreciate the power of hormones. Hormones are the reason why people are addicted to social media, games/gambling, sex, food, tobacco, drugs, shopping, fame, power... Without hormones, there would be virtually no addiction. So, since pretty much everyone is more or less addicted to something, now you start to see the power of hormones in daily life.

But that is just the beginning. Hormones also influence thoughts on an unconscious level. The decisions individuals rationalize are only mere afterthoughts of the decisions the unconscious has already made, and the unconscious is affected by hormones. There is no way to separate them, no way to make a decision without the hormones influencing the decision first before the conscious thought. In addition, dream are also affected by hormone levels. Dreams are where the unconscious goes through memories and possible future events. Even though science does not understand what happens during sleeping, it is clear that hormone levels are at play even at this moment. So if one thinks that he controls his hormone levels, think again, as it is actually the hormone levels that are controlling your every single 1) action, 2) reaction, 3) thought and 4) dream.

If lemmings could talk, I'm sure neither they would agree that it's actually hormones that are largely making the decisions instead of them consciously making them. Humans have language and culture, which is nice, but how does that elevate humanity to a higher level, freeing us from our hormones? Especially group decisions are made by one single person, which makes the social hormones oxytocin and vasopressin even more important. This is exactly what Jung, a master of understanding the archetypes, tried to explain to all humanity in his books. We're still controlled by our very basic instincts. Humans still kill, still have all the bad emotions from envy to rage, still get addicted to all kinds of bad behavior and still think that were somehow uniquely separate from the rest of nature. Jung understood this all, and tried to warn humanity, but it seems that those warnings have largely gone unnoticed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ezIfoUGBQ

I really don't want to sound like an alarmist, but since Jung had an incredibly deep view into the human psyche, and he saw pretty much no improvement in it for the better during his lifetime, which spanned both world wars (and he tried to warn about them coming), which brings up this question: has anything in the human psyche or self-control become better since Jung dies in 1962? Is the current human population any better than it was a 100 years ago? I see little reason to claim that today is any different from 100 years ago as far as human psyche goes, as every single positive and negative element is still there. There is no less hate, envy, fear, prejudice or hunger for power/dominance. Times change and generations cycle, but the human nature does not, and the reason is that hormones are (still) in control.

I would like to conclude this post with one question: If all Western populations still thought that witches are behind bad economic times, would they be hunted? The answer is yes, look at anti-Semitism. And then look at Africa, where witch hunts still occur. When you look at the documents tof 21st century witch hunts you will understand that it's still about one thing: scapegoating. Something goes wrong, like the crops are bad or a child is acting strangely, a scapegoat must be found. To this day, there are still professional witch hunters in Tanzania. These individuals appeal to the instincts of scapegoating, finding blame in someone who is an unwanted person, and that is often an old widow living alone in the outskirts of a village. This is happening in 2019. But how does this differ from a populist who blames the immigrants for economic and social troubles? It doesn't. And when oxytocin and vasopressin levels are high -> scapegoating/populism is what appeals to humans.


(ps. As for the Taiping Rebellion, most of the deaths were attributed to plague and famine, and the Max Roser chart doesn't take those into account, as they were indirect consequences, not intended deaths caused by group aggression.)

I had the impression from historians that these were war deaths, either people fighting or people caught in the crossfire.

You seem interesting, but apt to jump to conclusions and narrow down causes. Hormones the cause of everything human and animal? I don't even think scientists would agree with such a one-cause interpretation. It's wise to consider, in my considered opinion, that life is too variable and variegated to be narrowed down to simple explanations. Jung certainly did not do this, and did not attribute human behavior to hormones. You are quoting someone there who valued and used the hermetic tradition, including astrology and alchemy and Platonic philosophy.

I can't see concluding from the fact that progress moves in fits and starts, and that the arc of history is long, that hormones are in control. There's no QED there.

And again, NO, right-wing fear-mongers are not "populists." No. Populists are those who wish to restore and advance more political and economic power to the people, rather than a small elite. That has nothing to do with racist and ethnic scapegoating.

The spiritual practices such as meditation and Buddhism zero in on the cause of suffering, which is called by various names, including addiction; which is just an insufficient level of consciousness. It may be a daunting task, but rather than just submit to the rule of hormones and give up, the project of humanity is to rule over them through expanding consciousness. That is what the sixties Awakening was all about, but people in America and elsewhere often tend to forget 2T Awakenings and their lessons, and that is the principle reason for the lack of progress that you see.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-02-2019, 08:36 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-03-2019, 05:43 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-03-2019, 11:39 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-05-2019, 04:14 AM
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RE: What are your specialities? - by Hintergrund - 09-06-2019, 08:37 AM
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RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-09-2019, 02:14 PM
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RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-20-2019, 02:26 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by pbrower2a - 09-20-2019, 03:44 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 09-20-2019, 07:48 AM
RE: What are your specialities? - by Eric the Green - 09-23-2019, 11:07 PM
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RE: What are your specialities? - by Ldr - 10-05-2019, 11:26 AM
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