The Coronavirus

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(05-18-2020, 04:30 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: Probably not.  He comes up with his thoughts from weird places, but they are his own.  I don't see him as connected to reality enough to read and spout the taking points of the day for any organization.  He is just not an organization sort of guy.

So you don't think Eric capable of watching CNN for half an hour and retaining that information in his head for a few more hours? I mean I understand the man has a disorganized mind but damn. Not even I am that pessimistic about his abilities and I regularly ignore everything he posts because I know it is coming from out of left field somewhere and probably doesn't have any connection with reality.

And honestly he can't even debate well. Like most Boomers he is of the "Agree with me or be lectured" type. Which is the main reason I ignore his posts. Could be worse I suppose, I mostly ignore PBR simply because he keeps saying the same shit over and over and it got old seven or eight years ago.

Quote:The facts on the ground say the climate is warmer in the south than in New York.  If climate was the driving factor right now, New York would not be having fewer cases, the southern states more.  It must be another factor, such as the stricter isolation policies

But if you value money over grandma, you ignore the facts.

I take it then that you're of the valuing money over grandma type then. I know that is a supposed dig at me but then again you seem to assume that I care about such things. Both of my grandmothers are dead and other people's well unless they are giving me money I don't have much use for them. That being said Carona numbers in the South are down very much down.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020...cases.html

If we take a quick gander at the above map what do we see and where are the most cases? Large densely populated cities and transport hubs. Which explains Atlanta, Miami, New Orleans and the larger cities in Texas. The rest of the South? The numbers are very low. So low that most people don't even know someone who is actually sick at all.

Looking at the same map we see the largest number of cases where? New York City, Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, and Washington-Baltimore. It is now Mid May and these locations are warming up and will warm up to the point that temperature and humidity will counteract the negative impact that density has. Also it should be noted that New Jersey is the most densely populated state which is why its numbers are so high.

What can we conclude from this map? Density and climate are driving factors barring transport hubs (and transport hubs are always in danger of communicable disease).

Quote:Can't argue that they want to get rid of Trump.  He is preventing the medical response and flirts with loyalty to a foreign power.  Just ordinary politics would be enough.  They have more than enough reasons to dump Trump.

In what way? On March 13th Trump declared a National State of Emergency and has released as much hardware and capital as it is in his power to do to the states to deal with the virus as they see fit. Why is he having the states take a leading role here? The answer is simple, a one size fits all strategy simply won't work. North Carolina and North Dakota are vastly different in case load, density and climate for example. What are the driving factors in the spread of infectious disease (and these are all common sense factors no degree in epidemiology required--in fact having such a degree might prevent one from seeing the forest for the goddamned trees)? Density, Climate, Transport Hub location.

If anything the way Trump responded as President to this is Perfect. I imagine that if he had a D after his name (like he used to) you'd be singing his praises right now.

Also which foreign power is he courting? Certainly not China. Can't be Russia either. Muh Russia was proved to be a giant nothing burger. But do continue with the Legacy Media talking points, it only serves to show me how disinformed you are. And yes I say dis-informed, the legacy media publishes deliberately false narratives because it is in their political interests. That said, everything looks like Trump will be re-elected anyway because well quite frankly the Democrats are morally and intellectually bankrupt and everyone knows.

Quote:Right.  The climate is warmer down south than in the northeast.  And you claim Eric is detached from reality?

I'm not the one claiming that rates are rising in the South which IS opening up. In some cases quickly like GA and in other cases more slowly like Louisiana (I don't want that great state confused with that shit hole Los Angeles). FL is taking a measured but quick approach excluding Miami which is vulnerable as an international transport hub.

Quote:Coumo's point of the day was that government and society could only do so much.  Individuals have to take their responsibilities seriously for maximum isolation.  In Massachusetts, mothers are dropping kids off at the closed malls to socialize.  They are holding sleepovers for the kids.  In many places the conservative protesters are ignoring social distancing and PPE.  You just can't achieve maximum isolation when some individuals are more concerned with themselves than the community.

I have had my problems with people ignoring PPE. My solution is to refuse to serve them. If you want to come in and order your coffee and donut at the counter you MUST wear a face covering. If you have a problem with that you're free to use the drive thru or go elsewhere. I get this argument from customers about fifty times a day Bob. I'm enforcing this policy not because I'm an asshole, but rather because I prefer my workers to not get sick. (Purely for selfish reasons of course.)

As for dropping kids off at the malls and doing the sleepover thing sounds like a means to transmit the virus than the opposite. I've seen pictures of the protests and everyone seems to be observing proper distancing. Face coverings are less necessary out doors because the virus is large and doesn't travel well outside. It has difficulty inside too which is why the CDC recommendation is to have spacing 6 ft apart.

Quote:The higher R0 gets, the longer we have to keep the economy locked down.  If you don't take isolation seriously, you make this all the more painful.

The longer the country remains locked down the longer the economy will take to recover which means that any other disaster which may happen will be much much worse. I know you don't have a Floridian's concern here but I'm not looking forward to a possible One-Two punch this year to my state. Hurricane season starts in 14 days and there already is a sub-tropical storm in the Atlantic.