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What Will Come of This 4T?
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(01-13-2021, 01:18 PM)Tim Randal Walker Wrote: I was reviewing an archived thread, The Two Lifetime Cycle.  Based on the double rhythm.  According to our current position in this cycle, the question before us is whether the USA will stick with the status quo, or return to pre-New Deal era.

Where can you view archived threads?  I'm wondering if my old posts are in there (presuming I can even remember my old user name).  

What do you mean by a 'pre-New Deal' era because some aspects of that are, I believe, off the table even on the conservative side.  Discrimination based on race is, effectively, dead on both sides.  The central conflict is over to what extent we go past 'just don't discriminate' and into active efforts to reduce inequity of outcome.  

I've been reading up on the Revolutionary war, specifically the experience of British loyalists, and realized something interesting.  It was those loyalists who, in the waning days of the 4T, helped establish the concept of a central government that protected the rights of states against each other and of the citizens of those states.  This addressed the primary concerns of those who could not commit fully to the Revolutionary cause and, when you project out a few more turnings, became the Northern Liberal cause that was 'union must be preserved' while the old independence movement became the new 'states rights' one.

You can follow that pattern through the next two turnings where more moderate members of the defeated (or excluded) side helps to form the final social compact in a way that addresses the values they are most concerned about.  Those values become the new progressive ones for those rebelling against that (now conservative) social consensus.  They don't *exactly* look like the last turnings conservatives because the losing side goes through a process by which it realizes some of the things it thought aligned with it's values really didn't or policies it wanted are no longer important.  The winning side does not go through this self-examination, which is why it is rife with contradictions for the new Prophets to point out.

I guess, my open question would be, who (or what groups) within the conservative group do you think would be able to help form the final social compact, what conservative values or principles do you think would need to be protected for that consensus to occur, and what elements of the dominant left do you think the next Prophets will rebel against?
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What Will Come of This 4T? - by namentstone - 04-15-2020, 08:49 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Warren Dew - 04-15-2020, 09:35 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by sbarrera - 04-15-2020, 11:22 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Warren Dew - 04-15-2020, 11:56 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by sbarrera - 04-15-2020, 11:24 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by David Horn - 04-15-2020, 01:19 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by namentstone - 04-15-2020, 05:10 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by David Horn - 04-16-2020, 09:26 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by pbrower2a - 04-15-2020, 11:58 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by pbrower2a - 04-16-2020, 04:07 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by sbarrera - 04-16-2020, 06:27 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by beechnut79 - 04-16-2020, 09:42 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Warren Dew - 04-17-2020, 12:19 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by David Horn - 04-17-2020, 09:41 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by sbarrera - 04-17-2020, 11:40 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by David Horn - 04-17-2020, 12:11 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Warren Dew - 04-17-2020, 05:40 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by pbrower2a - 04-18-2020, 02:51 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by pbrower2a - 04-17-2020, 05:30 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Blazkovitz - 04-18-2020, 09:12 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by David Horn - 04-18-2020, 10:22 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Ghost - 04-18-2020, 10:53 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Blazkovitz - 04-19-2020, 03:46 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Ragnarök_62 - 04-21-2020, 01:05 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by David Horn - 04-21-2020, 09:57 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by pbrower2a - 04-22-2020, 10:19 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Isoko - 04-19-2020, 12:44 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Warren Dew - 04-19-2020, 05:27 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Isoko - 04-20-2020, 09:45 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Blazkovitz - 04-20-2020, 10:42 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Warren Dew - 04-20-2020, 05:01 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by pbrower2a - 04-21-2020, 02:00 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Isoko - 04-20-2020, 10:55 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Blazkovitz - 04-21-2020, 10:24 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Isoko - 04-20-2020, 11:01 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Isoko - 04-21-2020, 04:53 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Isoko - 04-21-2020, 10:40 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by David Horn - 04-22-2020, 03:27 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by pbrower2a - 04-22-2020, 03:37 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by Warren Dew - 04-22-2020, 07:22 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by pbrower2a - 04-22-2020, 09:54 AM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by mamabug - 01-13-2021, 03:34 PM
RE: What Will Come of This 4T? - by mamabug - 01-15-2021, 04:25 PM

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