Generation Theory Thread

[Mikebert]

(05-15-2017, 01:44 PM)Emman85 Wrote:

(05-15-2017, 05:58 AM)Mikebert Wrote:

(05-14-2017, 01:06 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(05-14-2017, 10:10 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-13-2017, 05:46 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: Actually, the antiimmigrant sentiment is economic, not social.

I disagree. I think it's both.  Some see immigrants as threatening and others as competition.  The result is the same though the feelings are not.  Xenophobia operates on many levels.

The social prejudice against immigrants is not new; those feelings have always been there.  What's new is economic stresses from immigration translating antiimmigrant feelings into actual policy action.  That points to a fourth turning.  Only Mikebert's desire to preserve his political misconceptions prevents him from seeing that.

You did not address the other ideas presented. Two observers, one on the right and one on the left, have noted the resemblance of modern protests to era of creedal passion, which are 2Ts.  If you read Huntington's definition of a creed passion era and S&H's definition of a 2T they are very similar. S&H cited Huntington, so I believe they read him, and probably were influenced by him.

Creedal passion does not automatically mean 2T, Huntington names the American Revolution as a creedal passion period and you'd agree it was a 4T right? Huntington in 1981 did predict a new creedal passion period starting in the 2010s and 2020s, he averages these periods about 60 years apart and lasting about 15 years. This means that in American history 2Ts have accounted for 3 of the 4 creedal passion periods he mentioned in his 1981 book and this period might be the 5th

True.  It implies a 75% probability that this one is a 2T.  None of these observations are definitive.  But the issue is not to show reasons why its doesn't look like a 2T, hell one of the trademarks of a 2T is missing--no rising incidence of spiritual/religious activity, unless you want to count campus SJW's as a rising secular religion or Rod Dreher's Benedict Option as a new religious movement.  It's not that the current turning doesn't closely fit the 2T model. It's not supposed to look anything like a 2T. The question is where is the compelling evidence for it being a 4T?

What makes a 4T a 4T, and not some other turning?