The Maelstrom of Violence

[Bob Butler 54]

(07-03-2017, 03:34 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(07-01-2017, 09:49 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(07-01-2017, 06:02 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: But you don't seem to deal with that level of fact.  Fact seems irrelevant to you.  If something is unpleasant to your world view, you will call it a lie, with absolutely no attempt to fact check.

I could be wrong, but I doubt Eric would dispute the facts.  I suspect his position is that he believes the violence on the part of the left is necessary and justified, up to and including the attempted assassination of Scalise.

What Bob does is, whenever I express something he disagrees with, and disagree with him on facts, he tends to "demonize" me as someone who ALWAYS is unable to deal with facts, if they offend my cherished world view.

The NRA (or at least its current leadership; not indeed necessarily every member) deals only in lies, and no, I will not debate anyone on this topic. (and I agree with mikebert's statements above about them; bravo!)

The particular NRA ad in question is somewhat unusual in that they anchor the emotion and values behind the ad in solid fact.  Thus, I find this a good example of Eric's tendency to disregard facts which conflict with his world view, and he refuses to even examine the issue.  A statement of his word view is just asserted like it was papal bull.  I'm sorry, but he isn't the Pope.

Me, I'd rather talk about the NRA ad, but Eric won't.  Instead, he turns it into a personal attack.  I'd much rather discuss the issues.  As he won't talk issue and fact, we have a tedious between poster squabble.

We both lean left and agree on a lot of blue basics.  We've participated in many gun policy discussions, particularly the legal aspect, but he refuses to educate himself on the law or accept anything the NRA says.  He indulges in magical thinking quite a bit, which to me is not a source of objective fact.  Mostly, though, he has asserted that anyone who disagrees with him must be subdued or defeated.  In the past, this has accompanied a failure to understand why the red folk are upset or why.  He is talking a different game lately, but I haven't really seen the change in his posts.  If he lives up to his recent boasts, fine.