The Maelstrom of Violence

[Eric the Green]

(07-04-2017, 10:12 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(07-04-2017, 11:35 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: The only "ad in question" I see in this thread is the one posted by Odin. I don't see any facts in that ad; it's just pro-Trump lies and propaganda, and allusions to stand with the gun toters as the guarantors of "freedom." Trump's version of "freedom" seems a lot like Mussolini's to me (Trump is Mussolini's reincarnation, according to my "magical" way of thinking)

I don't have to turn anything into a personal attack on me by you, if that's just what it was in the first place. Hint: my "demonizing" of opponents is not a personal attack on you. You saying I always disregard facts and say all who disagree with me must be subdued, is exaggerated, and thus a personal attack on me. It just shows again you don't live up to what you say people here should do.

There's no use asking me to examine or debate something you already KNOW that I won't, and then complain I don't regard facts. You are just setting yourself up for frustration and anger at me. Just be wiser and let it go, and admit that Eric is not going to agree with Bob on everything. No-one will agree with you or me on everything. It will brighten your day

The NRA ad which Odin posted was quoted above my comment that the NRA was unusually truthful in their facts before moving to the realm of values, fear and violence.  I also contrasted the NRA's opening facts with the late night comic's ability and habit of exaggerating, lying, humiliating, and calling it humor so they can get away with it.  Your response a few post down was to call NRA liars, and late night comics truthful.  I assumed you were contributing to the thread and directly challenging my post.  I still believe so, although you refuse to revisit or give any credence to your claim of a lying NRA.

Anyone who listens to the late night comics I mentioned knows that they recount a lot of facts. The humor just makes the horrible situation we live in politically go down a bit easier. It's tough to spread the humor around to all sides, when the facts are so one-sided regarding who is ridiculous. But they try.

Quote:Now if you're going to directly challenge me, expect an exchange.  If you are thinking about making claims without being willing to back them up, don't.  In the spirit of if you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen, if you can not, will not, won't, or otherwise are unable to discuss the NRA, don't express arbitrary unsustainable false opinions about the NRA.  The goal should not be to slander and lie about groups we don't like.  True criticisms you are willing to defend, sure, post away.  The NRA are anything but perfect.  Bald faced lies you can't back up, no.

The NRA is unspeakable. (and again I speak of the leaders and spokespeople, not all the members)

There was no challenge to you from me about the NRA. Nor did I discuss or even read Odin's link. You brought them up, dredging up the fact that I disagreed with you long ago about that subject.

Quote:Otherwise, you have boasted about being able to listen.  Live up to the boast.  I'll be pleased if you manage the trick.

And, correct, we aren't going to agree on everything, but we should be willing to back up our assertions.  If you make false claims you cannot or won't defend, don't expect me to walk away and let your lies stand unchallenged.

Do as you wish. I'm not going to beat dead horses though. The NRA is a dead horse. I will do nothing but insult them, if I say anything at all about them. Another name for them is "the gun lobby." That's all they fuckin' are.