The Maelstrom of Violence

[Ragnarök_62]

(08-29-2017, 07:27 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-29-2017, 07:02 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: <snip>

Read the below and take the red pill. You'll be fine.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/45...s-ideology

Loose group:   Like ISIS.
Stalin:  That info is in the information in my prior posts. Feel free to run a fact check on that stuff. I did to cull out media hype. There be hurricanes in the cyberspace. Lots of spin.

Violence. There are many options besides going full tribal. In fact, lots of white supremacists web recourses have been withdrawn.  Trump?  Uh, folks can just opt out like the 1970's. If you want to mess up Trump's stuff, just stop buying extra stuff.  You know, opting for a used car instead of a new one would put the hurt on Trump's economy. I also prefer economic distress over wanton violence. There, I've chosen my option.

Warning:  Antifa is the best promotion right wing crackpots could ever get. Look at all of that free media coverage they get,  you know sort of like Trump himself. 24/7 news coverage can't be beat.

Which is worse?  Trump or Weimar USA.  I'll take Trump even over organized mob fighting.Besides, Trumponomics seems to have a built in self destruct sequence.

I know of Bernie, Bernies a respectable person.  Antifa is not respectable.  Anyone who trashes other peoples' stuff is also violating folks' property rights. That's to be expected though.  Commies of any stripe have no use for property rights.

Yes I get that you don't like violations of property rights and mob fighting. Trump over organized mob fighting, you say? Trump himself organizes mob fighting. He did that in his campaign. It's true though, the right wing successfully uses antifa for its own propaganda purposes. That's a definite downside to their methods.

No, antifa is not like the Islamic State, even a little bit. Antifa's leftist ideals are for justice and equality for all, whatever the result of their mix of violent and non-violent methods may be. The IS is about cutting off the heads of those who don't hold tight to their fanatical and deadly intolerance. And the IS is not a loose group. They are tenacious fighters and efficient tyrants.

Buying used cars is not going to dump Drump, or his GOP. It's going to take a lot of political organization. That's where the value, if any, of antifa, or even Occupy Wall Street, reaches its limit. Conversations can be changed, racism held to account, and warnings can be made. Beyond that, change in our government and politics is needed, as well as local organizing. Street riots will not change the system. Democrats are the only viable way to support change within the government, at least unless the Greens or another political system and/or alternative party takes hold. It might; this 4T is still young. Meanwhile, Democrats need to win to get us back even to a chance for incremental progress, which the radicals including antifa do not have the patience for. Right now, all we have is decline and fall.

1. Antifa is organized in loosely connected cells. That's how they roll, similar to ISIS and right supremicists for that matter. The interwebs are the glue that binds them all. 

2. Antifa's ideas are to essentially to label anyone a nazi who disagrees with anything they do. I fail to see why they support "liberals get the bullet" also, if they weren't as narrow as white supremicists.

3. All of the other stuff, I agree.