The Maelstrom of Violence

[Kinser79]

(08-29-2017, 08:45 PM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(08-29-2017, 10:36 AM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(08-29-2017, 10:16 AM)Warren Dew Wrote:

(08-28-2017, 10:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Not equally evil, because antifa seeks to stop fascism before it starts. We have no idea what kind of government antifa would institute. But yes both are wrong because they are too violent and lawless.

Actually we have a very good idea, since their goal is to 'destroy capitalism' and they fly anarchocommunist flags.  Stalinism is at the end of that road.  They might not be exactly equal - Stalin killed several times more people than Hitler - but they're on the same level.

They aren't even close.  Marxist-Leninists look at the Antifa crowd and laugh.  They are at most useful idiots for the Stalinists who follow in their wake, and they are always the first to the Gulags after the revolution.

Sure.  That's why I say "Stalinism is at the end of that road", rather than it being their goal.  They don't think they're Stalinists, but they pave the road for the Stalinists.

I was more objecting to calling them on par with "Stalinists".  They aren't even close.  Antifa's tactics are to smash stuff and hit people.  Their ideology is to label anyone they don't like a fascist, whether they are or not.  Which I find amusing about people who claim Trump is a fascist.  In a calmer, saner time, within the living memory of both Boomers and Xers he would at most be a pro-business Democrat.

In any event only two outcomes are going to arise from Antifa's antics. 
1.  There is a communist revolution headed by a Marxist-Leninist party
2.  The emergence of an actual fascist group to combat antifa by taking control of the state.

At present in the US situation 1 is unlikely.  Most of the ML parties in the US are poorly lead and terribly small.  And the CPUSA has been suffering from Browderism since the 1940s and is thus  spent force.  Situation 2 is more likely.  If the mild reforms Trump wants to push are frustrated too much someone who is less mild than him will be found, and Gen X has plenty of people like that running around.

Antifa rioting every weekend is the best thing that ever happened to the neo-nazi types.