The Maelstrom of Violence

[Bob Butler 54]

(09-23-2017, 10:38 PM)Kinser79 Wrote:

(09-23-2017, 04:53 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(09-23-2017, 01:20 PM)Warren Dew Wrote: Don't assume that because that's your method of assessment, that Kinser is doing the same thing.  He does have data for his assessments, though he is also making some

Well, first, Kinser is pretty unique.  I don't think anyone is doing the same thing as Kinser.

Oh please, you sound like you've never seen a black man who is conservative on some issues before.  Which if you've ever seen a black man at all, you've probably seen a black man who is conservative on some issues.

That would assume I have a bin labeled ‘conservative black’.  Everyone in the bin is considered alike.  I would supposedly act on that presumption freely.

Frankly, you are pretty unique.  If you really act on such stereotype, you miss a lot.  I’m pretty unique too, I think.  I hope my unwillingness to submit to stereotype isn’t part of my uniqueness.

But there is an assumption here of stereotype, that I do treat all conservative blacks alike.  Wrong.  Regarding human beings, figuring out values is part of it.  Thus, you are already more than a pigmentation level and position on the classic liberal - conservative continuum.  If all I am or all anyone is to you is a pigmentation level and a position of the liberal - conservative continuum, no wonder you are so far off in your judgements.  We are more than that.

There is a too often seen pattern on these forums.  Something real is turned into something else and stomped on.   Somehow, it is assumed that the something real is damaged in the process.  My way of thought has been badly misrepresented.  One comes to assume that if you do it often to me, you do it often to everyone.  I feel like this has happened.  As long as you are so obsessed on your stereotypes, can’t or won’t see the reality, it will continue to happen.

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I proposed that a perspective that tries to encompass both sides of the story, a more nuanced view, will always be more complex than a nuanced perspective that sees only one side.  In the same way an attempt to be scientific rather than partisan political will often be more complex.  I’m feeling my current problem is simple world views that try to prove rather that describe.  They won’t accept nuance.

Not quite sure yet what to do with it.