09-25-2017, 08:52 AM
(09-23-2017, 07:24 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:(09-23-2017, 01:13 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What's your opinion of PB? Who is PB? This may surprise you, I didn't form my opinion/view of PB. The Republicans didn't form them of PB or you or any other blue poster for that matter. PB formed my opinion of him and my feelings toward him. PB and I are different people who handle situations/things and approach things differently. You are pretty loose with your use/understanding/view of vile stereotype, world views and values to explain/define our differences and opinions of each other.
Pbrower likes classical stuff, apparently above my own highly selective tastes. I'm really into a few well known classic pieces, but am otherwise more diverse. Bach. Scott Joplin, Gershwin, Lennon. All are cool from my perspective. He leans heavily blue, likely heavier than I. We disagree a lot on the Second Amendment and role of the Supreme Court. I have no reason to go after him personally. None. Well, I'll be noisy when he repeats his opinions of the Second or the Supreme Court. I'll let him speak on his own problems.
Maybe that is one way for me to deal with my inadequacies.
Quote:I didn't say all Republicans think anything of Pbrower. I said Kinser did. That's different. Yes, smaller taxes, spending less on Americans and providing bad medical coverage to the poor are part of the Unraveling memes. I certainly would not be surprised by a general opinion by a Republican in that vague direction. Liar and predator are problematic, much more personal. There comes with such an assumption that anyone who uses government services does so in a spirit of hunting, that lying is a presumed common tool.
I at least recognize deceitful and predatory behavior as destructive tendencies that first rend a social fabric and even family life of the trust necessary for economic functions. I know at least two sociopaths in my extended family. I'm not going into details on how I know this. For whatever successes they have had, they have had shabby lives (other than material indulgence) off their jobs. I would not pull some of the stunts that they have done.
At the least I do not have an evil personality. The only way in which I will ever get into prison is as a political offender (if the Trump Presidency should become the norm, then I might end up in a labor camp in which I do not last long). I have a conscience. The main religious values that I have are monotheism (if one defines God as a unifying reality from which come all mathematical and physical law and the dialectical reality) and the idea that that God will hold us accountable for what we do to and for others.
Quote:That is, at core, a stereotype. Those from the other side supposedly think alike, it is fully assumed, and one can treat the opposition as if the stereotype is a universal truth. No. That degree of prejudice should not pass without firm comment. I'm not saying that this doesn't go two ways.
Stereotypes are unreliable for making executive decisions.
Quote:In a way, I can see how Kinser comes from a place where he has seen many lying predators. He can believe sincerely that his stereotype is true, even if it is not, even if his intense faith in this idea shapes his idea of the world. I can also approve his rejection of the victim card, how one should burn it, be above it. It often sets one back. Some of Kinser's beliefs can be respected. honored, can certainly admired.
Beyond any question -- he has probably encountered far more horrible or even dangerous people than I have. Welfare does create a culture of hustles even in disability. Such is not good for supporting optimism about human nature, an optimism that one needs for coping with realities of American life. But it is probably too late for me to make a life that will satisfy me even economically unless it involves marrying a rich widow. It is hard to start over at my age. Had I known about Asperger's at an early age I would be one who overcame instead of a victim.
My parents told me that whatever I do, avoid the mental health system. One might be branded as 'crazy' or face the horrors of confinement after some convenient diagnosis... paranoid schizophrenia, perhaps?... suitable for permanent institutionalization.
Quote:I'm often not thrilled by the way he chooses to express his ideas, but there is more than one way to speak and listen.
But I'll call out this stereotype. Not everyone is as he believes. Some have motivations which he doesn't respect or understand.
Much so. That's not to say many of us know people who have abominable motivations.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.