The Maelstrom of Violence

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(01-10-2021, 04:19 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(01-07-2021, 01:38 PM)David Horn Wrote:

(01-06-2021, 10:43 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I don't view what happened today as being anymore disgusting than what I watched take place all over the country last summer. As I told you before, I don't think/believe Biden won the election fair and square. Trump's response was adequate in my opinion. I understand the long standing tradition that we have as nation but I'm also realistic enough to understand that if the Democrats don't respect the rule of law like most everyone else the tradition we've shared as a nation will come to an end. I view both parties as equally responsible for what happened today. Like I said, the GOP is dead. On the other hand, the Republican base is here to stay. Political violence had already been used several times before today which now makes it an option from here forward.

I'll answer your objections in order:

• If you really believe what you wrote, you might be well advised to consider the dictionary definition of sedition: sedition [səˈdiSH(ə)n] conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.  Nothing done by any of the protestors last summer (or any time recently) qualifies as sedition, but inciting a group of hyped-up Trumpists to invade the US Capitol certainly does.
  
• I assume you have an idea in mind that describes how "the Democrats don't respect the rule of law like most everyone else", so pray tell us. I'm sure its the product of the alt-media, so it's almost certainly outside my view plane.
  
• Both sides do it is nonsense, particularly in this case. I saw no actions by anyone associated with the Democrats contribute to this riot in any way.  I saw a few of their vets and former spooks take charge and keep people safe.
  
• What I saw was a group of conspiracy cultists following their cult-muse: DJT.  I also saw a few (certainly not all) Republicans looking at the carnage and deciding they were playing on the wrong team.
  

You should check out the definition of insurrection. Do you have two eyes and ears that work and a sound mind that is capable of reasoning? If you do, you haven't shown it for many years? Oh, I take that back. I saw it once many years ago when you knew that you lost a battle for control over a forum to me and a group of hard core American believers. Well, what took place back then is about to take place nationally with the Democrats in the position of making mistakes and losing control of everything. Welcome to the 4T.

Again, Classic X'er, your definition of what constitutes belief in America or identity as an American. Of all the great empires in history (and I refer to scale and power, and the US as the Empire of Liberty stacks up to all of those empires as rather imposing in power, durability, scale, and influence) less defines what makes one an American than any other. "American" does not imply any race, ethnicity, or religion. It does not imply any particular ideology. One can be a Ku Klux Klansman and an American or a Black Panther and an American (yuck -- but that is the truth!)
 
I remember one of your earlier incarnations telling someone to commit suicide, which is unconscionable. I took it up with the moderator and even suggested that you would be accepted if you repudiated and apologized for that statement. There are people in extreme depression or panic, and telling someone potentially suicidal on a ledge to jump would be cause for arrest. Maybe I am excessively literal about something like that, but you must assume that there are people who take every word literally. As that goes, one profession does take every word literally -- and that is the legal profession. 

By narrowing what it means to be an American in good standing, one simultaneously takes away liberty... and if the narrowing should be enough, then we simply have a Big Bad Evil Empire.  

Donald Trump is disgraced as no President in history. We have had failures, but no President has ever sought to nullify an election in favor of himself or a successor. Note well: one of the most reliable means of establishing a dictatorship is to nullify an election.  We accept electoral results that we dislike but cannot disprove (there would have to be very strong evidence of electoral fraud, such as masses of ballots discarded floating down a river that seem marked contrary to the result) or we accept whatever some leader says that the vote was. 

Events of January 6 look more like the Bolsheviks storming the Winter Palace in 1917 than they do like anything that we have ever seen in American history. Note well: there was an election for the Russian Constituent Assembly, but Vladimir Lenin nullified the vote that he lost because the 'wrong' people won. At that point the Soviet dictatorship began. 

I'm not accusing you, of course, of being a Commie. That is not your ideology. Yours better resembles that of Augusto Pinochet... but his regime was a soul-crushing as any Commie regime except that of the Khmer Rouge.