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Debate about Gun Control
(10-22-2017, 08:19 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(10-22-2017, 10:32 AM)David Horn Wrote: Have you actually seen the video of any of these shootings?  In one, a cop approaches a car at a traffic stop, pulls his weapon then shoots ... about 10 seconds later.  There were no signs of aggression, but the guy did have a fully legal handgun in the car, and possessed a concealed-carry permit.  There was plenty of time to think things through, but it didn't happen.  I doubt the cop wanted to shoot the guy.  He was being filmed by his own dash-cam.

Is that the one that happened in my area? If it is, I saw that one in its entirety. We didn't see what was going on with the person in the car. We didn't see what was going on in the mind of the person in the car either.  We heard an officer tell the person not to move or make any sudden moves and then we heard a bunch shots and we heard  the voice of the officer explaining to the passenger the reason for the shooting of the driver. I know the cop didn't want to shoot the guy.  How much time do you need to think things through? Less than 10 seconds? I bet I kill you if I wanted to in less than 10 seconds. So, you better be able to think through without reacting the wrong way in the minds of blues within  5 seconds or less. Sound reasonable to you and sound like a reasonable rule to apply to cops. Now, keep in mind, I don't give a fuck whether blues continue to have police forces or not at this point. Blues don't deserve them in my opinion. I've yet to see a blue who I'd view as being worth placing my life at risk or dying for or worth  dealing with all the shit that seems to occur in their areas. I have no doubt that cops would be much happier and feel much more appreciated in redder areas.

You miss the point.  No one should be carrying a concealed weapon in a motor vehicle.  In fact, it used to be illegal.  In most states, you were required to place the weapon in the trunk or the glove box at the very least.  But now: Rights!

This isn't going well, is getting worse by the day, and shows no signs of changing.  Already, the NRA is backing away from control of bump-stocks.  Is nothing involving firearms 'going too far'?
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(10-25-2017, 10:08 AM)David Horn Wrote: You miss the point.  No one should be carrying a concealed weapon in a motor vehicle.  In fact, it used to be illegal.  In most states, you were required to place the weapon in the trunk or the glove box at the very least.  But now: Rights!

This isn't going well, is getting worse by the day, and shows no signs of changing.  Already, the NRA is backing away from control of bump-stocks.  Is nothing involving firearms 'going too far'?

It never should have been "illegal" to carry a gun in a car.  The 2nd-A is very easy to understand. Prohibitions on things like carrying in a car, or even in places like schools are an infringement.  No amount of playing word salad games and dancing around the issue changes that.   Gun control / gun restrictions, whatever you want to call them ARE going to far.
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(10-25-2017, 10:08 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(10-22-2017, 08:19 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:
(10-22-2017, 10:32 AM)David Horn Wrote: Have you actually seen the video of any of these shootings?  In one, a cop approaches a car at a traffic stop, pulls his weapon then shoots ... about 10 seconds later.  There were no signs of aggression, but the guy did have a fully legal handgun in the car, and possessed a concealed-carry permit.  There was plenty of time to think things through, but it didn't happen.  I doubt the cop wanted to shoot the guy.  He was being filmed by his own dash-cam.

Is that the one that happened in my area? If it is, I saw that one in its entirety. We didn't see what was going on with the person in the car. We didn't see what was going on in the mind of the person in the car either.  We heard an officer tell the person not to move or make any sudden moves and then we heard a bunch shots and we heard  the voice of the officer explaining to the passenger the reason for the shooting of the driver. I know the cop didn't want to shoot the guy.  How much time do you need to think things through? Less than 10 seconds? I bet I kill you if I wanted to in less than 10 seconds. So, you better be able to think through without reacting the wrong way in the minds of blues within  5 seconds or less. Sound reasonable to you and sound like a reasonable rule to apply to cops. Now, keep in mind, I don't give a fuck whether blues continue to have police forces or not at this point. Blues don't deserve them in my opinion. I've yet to see a blue who I'd view as being worth placing my life at risk or dying for or worth  dealing with all the shit that seems to occur in their areas. I have no doubt that cops would be much happier and feel much more appreciated in redder areas.

You miss the point.  No one should be carrying a concealed weapon in a motor vehicle.  In fact, it used to be illegal.  In most states, you were required to place the weapon in the trunk or the glove box at the very least.  But now: Rights!

This isn't going well, is getting worse by the day, and shows no signs of changing.  Already, the NRA is backing away from control of bump-stocks.  Is nothing involving firearms 'going too far'?
What made him think that he needed to have one? I don't know much about the guy other than personal stuff relating to him at the time of the shooting. Did he live in a bad part of town or live near a bad part of town or something? I don't know for sure. I could only assume based on his race and knowledge of where the majority of people of the same race as him tend to live in Twin Cities. BTW, I'd have a license to carry and a legal gun on me too if I lived in or lived near the bad parts of the Twin Cities.
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