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Biden to announce gun control executive orders, added background checks
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Biden to announce gun control executive orders, added background checks

https://nypost.com/2021/04/07/biden-prep...ve-orders/
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(04-08-2021, 03:34 AM)vni Wrote: Biden to announce gun control executive orders, added background checks

https://nypost.com/2021/04/07/biden-prep...ve-orders/

Fuck liberals.

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The elites are obviously trying to kill off the 99%.

The globalists are exaggerating a virus to get bailouts, close down small businesses, expand the police state, shut down gun stores, end protesting, end elections, end trials, end travel, force US residents to get microchip implants and vaccines, close churches, end protests, and make those in the USA dependent on welfare.

Are you just going to stay silent?

WTF?
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(04-08-2021, 05:36 PM)Spokane2 Wrote: The elites are obviously trying to kill off the 99%.

The globalists are exaggerating a virus to get bailouts, close down small businesses, expand the police state, shut down gun stores, end protesting, end elections, end trials, end travel, force US residents to get microchip implants and vaccines, close churches, end protests, and make those in the USA dependent on welfare.

Are you just going to stay silent?

WTF?

Strawman argument. 

1. The SARS-2 virus that causes the infections of the dangerous COVID-19 pandemic. 

2. Many small businesses have adapted by raising prices and replacing higher-cost offerings with lower-cost offerings. Masks and gloves may be mandatory in such commonplace businesses as "Chinese" buffets that are still open.  Convenience stores and fast-food franchises are still open. 

3. There may be people who want to create or expand a police state. This looks like police state behavior with the plausible denial that such behavior is unofficial and the result of fanatics who get carried away. 



   

That's how the Duvalier dictatorship did things in Haiti. It's not official; it is instead people carried away with their fervent support  likely getting compensation for what they do. The vehicles are the same, so they are either purchased or rented from the same source, which suggests organization. It may not be official law enforcement, as the local and state police don't connect themselves to partisan banners. 

This suggests a criminal conspiracy to violate civil rights of political opponents of the then-current President. That was a warning of the dangerous tendencies toward a dictatorship complete with a secret police. Supposedly the government cannot stop its most fanatical supporters.

3. Guns aren't exactly a recurring purchase to the people whom most excuse for owning firearms: sport hunters who go into the woods in November to hunt deer. Gunsmiths may have a recurring business with sport hunters to keep their hunting rifles in good shape for the next deer season, but the typical deer rifle is a long-term possession for someone who might keep using it for sixty years, and then hand it down through inheritance to someone who develops buck fever. 

4. The protests go both ways. Trump supporters have generally opposed the restrictions on business that prevent crowds. If we had had a tight lockdown a year ago we would not still have 'Rona' still stalking America.  Well, life would be back to normal far faster , and perhaps as many as half a million Americans would not have died of COVID-19. COVID-19 has killed more Americans in roughly a year than the gangster Axis powers did in three and a half years in World War II. 

Protests are part of the political process... the literal "assembly to demand redress of grievances" in our beloved First Amendment. I may despise pro-Trump, "Stop the Steal", and anti-vaccination protests... but  the same laws necessary for stopping such protests would also halt Black Lives Matter protests. 

5. End elections? I am more concerned with their fairness and integrity than that they go a certain way. Hell, even North Korea (which in many respects resembles a political Hell) has elections. One votes of course for the choices of the regime or else faces dire consequences for oneself and one's family. The Korean Workers' Party (the name for the Communist Party) typically gets 100% of eligible voters to vote and 100% vote as they are told to. Under the Ba'ath fascist regime (which murdered Communists and received scathing condemnation for such by the arch-conservative government of Margaret Thatcher, much the same happened. Even Nazi Germany had elections, although Jews were denied the vote, and one could basically vote for the regime or take chances with the Gestapo and the concentration camps  

Are elections meaningful if one has no choice? Nazi Germany had exercises called elections:

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"Reichstag for Freedom and Peace"... freedom if such included the freedom of employers to assign workers who fall short of work quotas or complain about working conditions to labor camps to toil under harsh management to exhaustion on starvation rations so that they could return to appreciate the opportunity to be a serf in the industrial era -- someone who could not change jobs without the consent of one's employer. Peace? Only as long as Hitler wanted it and did not start intrigues in neighboring countries and diplomatic bullying to incorporate lands into his Reich.  

By that time the alleged body of popular representation consisted solely of long-time Nazi politicians, fellow travelers from the old Nationalist Party who were now Nazis in all but name, or people hand-picked by Hitler and his closest associates.  There was no way in which to say "no". 

I am not going to tell you how electoral life would be had Trump won re-election. Maybe he would allow some ineffective opposition as a formal reality or ensure that the other side always falls short of having enough seats in Congress to slow a process that favors the Trump ideology.  We are spared any satisfaction of any grim curiosity about a country that sold out its freedom for "making America great again" -- whatever that means. 
       
6. End trials? I wouldn't trust people who shouted "Hang Mike Pence" on January 6... would you? All political orders hold criminal trials, and the quality of those trials in honoring the rights of the accused says much. Show trials such as those in Stalin's Soviet Union, Hitler's Third Reich, or Iraq under Saddam Hussein demonstrate the helplessness of people who run afoul of the top leadership. I cannot say that we would be spared our equivalents of trials of Mlada Horakova, Laszlo Rajk, or Nikola Petkov... but I would not rule such out in a second term of Donald Trump. 

7. The problem with travel under COVID-19 restrictions in states that had shutdowns was that there were few places to go in which one could do anything interesting. That is over.

8. One is free to reject inoculation for the COVID-19 virus, but I wouldn't resist it. Trump promised "herd immunity" that somehow failed, and under Joe Biden, people herded themselves into inoculation sites to get freedom from fear of COVID-19. I am glad that I got the vaccine, as I got some nasty side-effects that caused me to recognize that the disease could have killed me.

9. Microchip implants? People can get those... for their beloved pets. Dogs and cats cannot reliably tell one where they live.

10. Do you know who ordered the largest number of closures of Christian churches? 

This fellow:

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Pope Francis, who was unwilling to let Catholic Churches become spreading centers for COVID-19. People could attend virtual Masses. Most Orthodox and many Protestant churches themselves did much the same. 

10. I had to go back on SNAP -- and do you realize what I bought today? 

Oranges. I eat less junk on SNAP. I don't know whether that reflects my feeling of responsibility for using public resources wisely or self interest. Does it matter, especially when both coincide?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(04-08-2021, 06:26 AM)Einzige Wrote:
(04-08-2021, 03:34 AM)vni Wrote: Biden to announce gun control executive orders, added background checks

https://nypost.com/2021/04/07/biden-prep...ve-orders/

Fuck liberals.

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Fuck conservative reactionaries and Marxist radicals.

Reagan and Nixon were right. Too bad they did not or could not act.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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(04-08-2021, 05:36 PM)Spokane2 Wrote: The elites are obviously trying to kill off the 99%.

This is one of the sillier arguments. The elites need the 99% in order to exploit them. If you want privileged and unprivileged, you have to have someone to exploit.
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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(04-09-2021, 12:35 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(04-08-2021, 05:36 PM)Spokane2 Wrote: The elites are obviously trying to kill off the 99%.

This is one of the sillier arguments.  The elites need the 99% in order to exploit them.  If you want privileged and unprivileged, you have to have someone to exploit.

Spokane 2 and vni are two of the more recent manifestations of our serial spammer.  Rational argument is fully optional and rare.
Intelligence is not knowledge and knowledge is not wisdom, but they all play well together.
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(04-09-2021, 12:40 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(04-09-2021, 12:35 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(04-08-2021, 05:36 PM)Spokane2 Wrote: The elites are obviously trying to kill off the 99%.

This is one of the sillier arguments.  The elites need the 99% in order to exploit them.  If you want privileged and unprivileged, you have to have someone to exploit.

Spokane 2 and vni are two of the more recent manifestations of our serial spammer.  Rational argument is fully optional and rare.

We all know about one Crazy Lady in Spokane -- but she is not so much loony as deceitful.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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(04-09-2021, 01:04 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: We all know about one Crazy Lady in Spokane -- but she is not so much loony as deceitful.

What is it about libertarians that attracts people that discredit libertarians?
That this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.
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(04-09-2021, 12:21 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(04-08-2021, 06:26 AM)Einzige Wrote:
(04-08-2021, 03:34 AM)vni Wrote: Biden to announce gun control executive orders, added background checks

https://nypost.com/2021/04/07/biden-prep...ve-orders/

Fuck liberals.

[Image: main-qimg-d823d0986355276bd4b2908790ba1392]

Fuck conservative reactionaries and Marxist radicals.

Reagan and Nixon were right. Too bad they did not or could not act.

LOL, Reagan was speaking in the context of signing the Mulford Act, an NRA-backed piece of gun control legislation in California designed with the express intent of disarming the Black Panther Party. He did act, the white liberal-conservative middle classes and the bourgeoisie got what they wanted in California
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People say that the elites don't want to kill off the 99% so that the ruling class can steal the wealth and property of the world, but the globalists obviously do.

Everyone always want more.

If you have oranges and apples today, you will want airplanes and yachts tomorrow. If you had $1 million, you would wish that you had $2 million.

The ruling powers don't need you because the elites will soon have robots.

The USA is collapsing.

The US is in debt, is conducting multiple wars, is a police state, is flooded by illegal immigrants, and has become immoral.

Americans are either ignoring the decay or think that nothing can be done to stop the decline. Almost no one thinks the US can be saved.

No one appears to be worried about tyranny because liberals think the police state only applies to conservatives and conservatives think the police state only affects liberals.

The truth seems to be that the elites want to wipe out the strong white men and plan to send the weak liberals to the gulags where they will be starved and killed. The 1% will then divide the wealth and land of the US among themselves.

How else can you explain the destruction of the USA? Economics isn't rocket science. If you want a strong economy, don't punish hard work with taxes and regulations while rewarding laziness with welfare and allowing millions of 3rd world immigrants to flood the country.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/...itics.html

Those fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Sadly Americans won't realize what is happening until it is too late.

Never underestimate the inhumanity of man towards man. Greed has no bounds.

Wake up.

Think.

Pass the word.
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(04-08-2021, 06:26 AM)Einzige Wrote:
(04-08-2021, 03:34 AM)vni Wrote: Biden to announce gun control executive orders, added background checks

https://nypost.com/2021/04/07/biden-prep...ve-orders/

Fuck liberals.

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--oh Christ!! Y'all are sourcing the Post??!!!!!????? Smh
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Is Ron Paul the only American who still cares about freedom?
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(04-09-2021, 05:51 PM)tv21 Wrote: Is Ron Paul the only American who still cares about freedom?

Ron Paul also really only cares about freedom for a small subset of the population.

We need proletarian revolution.
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If one person is not free then no one is free.
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Thank goodness and God and whoever else for Joe Biden. He is doing what he can about the gun epidemic.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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(04-09-2021, 02:06 PM)Einzige Wrote:
(04-09-2021, 12:21 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:
(04-08-2021, 06:26 AM)Einzige Wrote:
(04-08-2021, 03:34 AM)vni Wrote: Biden to announce gun control executive orders, added background checks

https://nypost.com/2021/04/07/biden-prep...ve-orders/

Fuck liberals.

[Image: main-qimg-d823d0986355276bd4b2908790ba1392]

Fuck conservative reactionaries and Marxist radicals.

Reagan and Nixon were right. Too bad they did not or could not act.

LOL, Reagan was speaking in the context of signing the Mulford Act, an NRA-backed piece of gun control legislation in California designed with the express intent of disarming the Black Panther Party. He did act, the white liberal-conservative middle classes and the bourgeoisie got what they wanted in California

Only if a faction declares civil war in the USA do guns make any sense for people to have, and then they would be assigned to the revolutionary militia governed by a new alternate state. And this armed, alternate state is more likely to be right-wing than left-wing. Anti-gun control today is predominantly right-wing/conservative, not radical left. The only hope for socialism or Marxism in the USA is gradual progress toward partial socialism as part of a mixed, regulated and taxed economy. To tell the truth, that is all that any concerned or idealistic, pro-proletarian citizen SHOULD hope for.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive;
Eric M
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Those who say that they hate the elites sound like hypocrites when they turn around and say that the globalists must be obeyed.
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(04-09-2021, 02:06 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:
(04-09-2021, 01:04 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: We all know about one Crazy Lady in Spokane -- but she is not so much loony as deceitful.

What is it about libertarians that attracts people that discredit libertarians?

All causes attract cranks, but until recently the two main Parties were able to swamp those cranks so that they could not win primary elections and then win after nomination. There have been plenty of autodidacts resolute about the knowledge that they have that may be surprisingly formidable... but there is good cause for people to get advanced formal education that allows people to know what all well-adjusted people need to know if they are to present themselves as leaders. With the non-traditional sources of learning that we have, and some of those can teach some things very well, we can have plenty of people who know much more than the average person about such a topic as paleontology. Or perhaps sports trivial, useless but in its way entertaining. (Example: did you know that Hall of Famers Yogi Berra and Chipper Jones, known by odd nicknames, have something unlikely in common? Their original first names were both "Lawrence"). Many such people still work in convenience stores and fast-food places and know well that their knowledge will do them no good on the job. It may be more satisfying than the drivel on the Idiot Screen. Low culture is the opiate of the masses these days.

OK. Paleontology and sports trivia are harmless. Maybe one dresses up as T-Rex or a trilobite for a Halloween party. Maybe I can ask the question in a sports bar and ask "Where in the batting order do the largest numbers of Hall of Fame players bat", and surprise them with "ninth". Ninth? Most of the greatest hitters of all time batted third or fourth in a batting lineup... and you know many of those, including such pairs as Ruth and Gehrig, Aaron and Matthews, Ripken and Murray... if two, and many of the others... Cobb, Hornsby, T. Williams, DiMaggio, Ott, Snider, Banks, Kaline, R. Jackson, Brett, the younger Bonds and Griffey... often batting third. Then again, pitchers typically bat ninth. Now you know. I tricked you by not mentioning pitchers. 

Now let's look at a literary and philosophical cult, that of Ayn Rand. It takes considerable dedication to read fully through either Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead, and as one does so one must isolate oneself from other thought. One of Rand's characters goes into a one hundred-page soliloquy that is in fact an expression of her philosophy, one that says that the sole measure of economic success for society is that the owners and executives get everything that they want or they leave everything and it all falls apart without them. For the world to work well after the people most essential to the functioning of a productive society, the people must defer to those 'winners by nature'. Who but Ayn Rand could believe that she could write a one-hundred-page soliloquy by one of her characters, something that such a literary mediocrity as Dickens or Dostoevsky would never think of doing? Of course, neither Dickens nor Dostoevsky was stark raving mad.

Truth be told, Ayn Rand hated libertarianism as a lack of subservience to the 'true winners' of society. But many followers of her see themselves as libertarians. 

(Paradoxically I can say this of the one readable novel that Ayn Rand wrote: Anthem.  The solution to a totalitarian order is assertion of the Self, but Rand is not clear that the person who must most assert the Self is the industrial serf or some would-be elite. Maybe  the collectivized part of the economy can be the basis of a welfare state as people start founding small businesses to small to oppress people on a large scale as can the worst of the plutocrats. Should the system have the destruction of the means of honest communications as in Nineteen Eighty-Four, then maybe people need to learn a different language not so corrupted. Replacing the corrupt Newspeak with the medieval English of Geoffrey Chaucer would make possible sense, as would ... Dante's Italian? modern Tagalog? Navajo?)

It is easier to infiltrate a small organization and turn it into a tiny monstrosity. So it is with a libertarian mini-party.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated Communist  but instead the people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists -- Hannah Arendt.


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Everything is illegal, everyone is a criminal, everyone is under surveillance 24/7, and no one cares.

Living in a police state means that you must live in dread of being arrested. You can't help feeling hopeless.
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