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Second raft of proposed gun law changes announced
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Second raft of proposed gun law changes announced 

"The second tranche of proposed gun law changes has been announced which will include a firearms register and a tighter licencing system. 

The next Arms Amendment Bill - following the ban on military-style semi-automatic weapons and assault rifles - will include establishing a firearms register and requiring licences to be renewed every five years.  

It will also "enshrine in law that owning a firearm is a privilege and comes with an obligation to demonstrate a high level of safety and responsibility". 
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern made the announcement alongside Police Minister Stuart Nash on Monday. It's the second set of gun law changes following the terror attack on 15 March.
"The changes announced today have been decades in the making. It is now up to this Parliament to deliver in the interests of public and personal safety," Ardern said. 
Nash said the vast majority of our gun owners are law-abiding and responsible, but emphasised that owning a gun is a "privilege, not a right". 
"The law changes will reinforce the positive behaviour that is required of all gun owners," he said. 
The legislation is being drafted and is due for introduction in late August. It will spend three months at select committee for public feedback. 
The second tranche of legislation will include:
  • Establishing a firearms register

  • Make owning a gun a "privilege" that comes with obligations

  • Tighten the rules to obtain and keep a gun licence

  • Tighten the rules for gun dealers to get and keep a licence

  • Require licences to be renewed every five years

  • Not allow visitors to purchase guns in New Zealand

  • Introduce a new warning system for police so they can intervene if they have concerns about a licence holder's behaviour

  • Introduce a licencing system for shooting clubs and ranges

  • Set up an expert group to advise the police on firearms

  • Introduce new advertising standards around guns

  • Require licences to buy magazines, parts and ammunition

  • Increase penalties and introduce new offences"   
Thank fucking god they are finally including "not allowing visitors to purchase guns in New Zealand." Bloody ridiculous they allowed that in the first place! So....what is America doing regarding gun laws? Nothing I take it?
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Profits in the sale of firearms and ammunition are well worth the lives sacrificed on the altar of 'gun rights', at least to the politicians who get campaign funds from the NRA or fear NRA funds being used against them in the next election, primary or general.
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(07-22-2019, 12:00 AM)taramarie Wrote: Thank fucking god they are finally including "not allowing visitors to purchase guns in New Zealand." Bloody ridiculous they allowed that in the first place! So....what is America doing regarding gun laws? Nothing I take it?

As long as the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution exists, we're unlikely to do anything that produces real results.
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That is very sad to hear guys because it means more of your young die because in part of that 2nd amendment which people protect more than their young over there.
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(07-22-2019, 10:48 AM)David Horn Wrote:
(07-22-2019, 12:00 AM)taramarie Wrote: Thank fucking god they are finally including "not allowing visitors to purchase guns in New Zealand." Bloody ridiculous they allowed that in the first place! So....what is America doing regarding gun laws? Nothing I take it?

As long as the 2nd Amendment to our Constitution exists, we're unlikely to do anything that produces real results.

And I'm glad that exists. We don't have to ban guns in the USA just because some other countries do.
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(07-22-2019, 04:02 PM)taramarie Wrote: That is very sad to hear guys because it means more of your young die because in part of that 2nd amendment which people protect more than their young over there.

The American crime rate has dramatically fallen. It's not 1980s crime rates anymore.
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Its also sad when people put a number on those who die. I am sure your opinion would be different if your relatives were being shot at unless you are a psychopath of course who prefers lax laws around guns over safety of lives.
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and I fucking love it that people say BAN guns. Who the fuck is saying it would be banned in the first place other than those who are pro lax gun laws??
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Responses will be towards those who actually want to discuss this topic as I have seen the discussions on this sort of topic and I have little to no interest in spending my recovery time (just come out of surgery here) with talking to brick walls on any topic let alone this one. I have little patience for those with no common sense who scream the words ban guns when it is not even remotely touching on that topic. I have no patience for idiots. Read the article and discuss otherwise I am not interested. Basically if there are shootings going on and people dying in mass weekly from lax gun laws, you have a problem and NO this is not about BANNING them. READ. I know it is evidently not my generation's greatest strength, but learn to read.
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(07-22-2019, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote: Its also sad when people put a number on those who die. I am sure your opinion would be different if your relatives were being shot at unless you are a psychopath of course who prefers lax laws around guns over safety of lives.

It is grossly amoral to trivialize death. Even a heroic death in war or a rescue is a tragedy.

As a defense, a dog is superior to a gun. Criminals fear dogs, which may explain why the Nazis prohibited Jews from owning dogs (they did allow Jews to own cats, which are similarly affectionate but are poor defenders). Dogs rarely attack the wrong person (unless they get perverse training) and cannot be turned against their owners. Dogs have keener senses than people, especially at night. Dogs can turn quickly from docile pets to ferocious defenders in seconds. To put it clearly, any dwelling with a dog is a jungle to a criminal.

Like the sorts of predators who have Man on the menu, dogs size us up well.
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(07-22-2019, 09:15 PM)taramarie Wrote: ... I have little to no interest in spending my recovery time (just come out of surgery here) with talking to brick walls on any topic let alone this one...

In the US, the issue has almost religious force.  If you are pro-gun (for lack of a better term), you are defending freedom and keeping your posse safe.  If you are anti-gun (again, for brevity), you are defending your posse and helping make freedom possible.  Sordid little details like homicides, suicides and woundings are just data to argue about.

BTW, how did the surgery go?
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(07-23-2019, 12:47 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(07-22-2019, 09:15 PM)taramarie Wrote: ... I have little to no interest in spending my recovery time (just come out of surgery here) with talking to brick walls on any topic let alone this one...

In the US, the issue has almost religious force.  If you are pro-gun (for lack of a better term), you are defending freedom and keeping your posse safe.  If you are anti-gun (again, for brevity), you are defending your posse and helping make freedom possible.  Sordid little details like homicides, suicides and woundings are just data to argue about.

BTW, how did the surgery go?

Yes over there it seems to be a hot topic and very polarized to the utmost extreme. What I do not understand is that those in favour of keeping it the way it is seem to jump on the word "ban." Kind of like how it seems they lump socialism with communism. They take it to the utmost extreme and it would be laughable if it wasn't quite a serious display of ignorance. My surgery went well. I am just in a lot of pain right now and have been told to stay in bed. I am glad I have my ligaments back in my ankle. Thank you for asking.
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The funny thing is here in NZ we do not freak out as if they will be banned. It is not a concern here. We discuss what is actually happening with certain restrictions and tighter laws with guns because that is what is actually happening. Certain military grade guns have been banned to a certain degree but does not mean you cannot own a gun. Just some are restricted and for good reason. Seems though when talking to some Americans about what has happened here they lack basic common sense on this topic. I have been active in discussions on the gun laws with loads of kiwis online and the consensus has been so far quite positive about the law changes and no one is discussing a ban on guns. You can still own a gun here but under certain conditions because the bloody thing isn't a toy.
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But you cannot conflate countries with homogeneous populations like New Zealand, Iceland, and Japan with a country like the United States, which consists of dozens, hundreds, hell, even thousands of different groups, pretty much none of whom can stand each other.
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(08-11-2019, 09:34 AM)Anthony Wrote: But you cannot conflate countries with homogeneous populations like New Zealand, Iceland, and Japan with a country like the United States, which consists of dozens, hundreds, hell, even thousands of different groups, pretty much none of whom can stand each other.

I should have asked about your rehab.  It had to have been long and arduous.  How are you doing now?
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(08-11-2019, 09:34 AM)Anthony Wrote: But you cannot conflate countries with homogeneous populations like New Zealand, Iceland, and Japan with a country like the United States, which consists of dozens, hundreds, hell, even thousands of different groups, pretty much none of whom can stand each other.

I guess Lincoln's "A house divided against itself, cannot stand." message does not also ring true in this case huh? Yes I am aware of the context of the original message, but those words by themselves, says something and I think it can apply to this also. Your country is severely, radically divided and I think those few words should account for something whether it be regarding guns, or politics or anything that severely cripples even solving major issues in your country to this day.
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(08-11-2019, 05:07 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(08-11-2019, 09:34 AM)Anthony Wrote: But you cannot conflate countries with homogeneous populations like New Zealand, Iceland, and Japan with a country like the United States, which consists of dozens, hundreds, hell, even thousands of different groups, pretty much none of whom can stand each other.

I should have asked about your rehab.  It had to have been long and arduous.  How are you doing now?

So long as the people act with decency toward each other, diversity is no social problem.
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(08-11-2019, 11:21 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(08-11-2019, 05:07 PM)David Horn Wrote:
(08-11-2019, 09:34 AM)Anthony Wrote: But you cannot conflate countries with homogeneous populations like New Zealand, Iceland, and Japan with a country like the United States, which consists of dozens, hundreds, hell, even thousands of different groups, pretty much none of whom can stand each other.

I should have asked about your rehab.  It had to have been long and arduous.  How are you doing now?

So long as the people act with decency toward each other, diversity is no social problem.

Exactly. NZ was built on diversity and certainly loads of people from all over the world. What is the problem is the extremism present in your country and the nasty corruption culture to just name two differences. Diversity is not the issue.
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(07-22-2019, 12:00 AM)taramarie Wrote: Thank fucking god they are finally including "not allowing visitors to purchase guns in New Zealand." Bloody ridiculous they allowed that in the first place! So....what is America doing regarding gun laws? Nothing I take it?

Unlike New Zealand, we're not interested in becoming a dystopian dictatorship.
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(07-23-2019, 07:06 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:
(07-22-2019, 09:05 PM)taramarie Wrote: Its also sad when people put a number on those who die. I am sure your opinion would be different if your relatives were being shot at unless you are a psychopath of course who prefers lax laws around guns over safety of lives.

It is grossly amoral to trivialize death. Even a heroic death in war or a rescue is a tragedy.

As a defense, a dog is superior to a gun. Criminals fear dogs, which may explain why the Nazis prohibited Jews from owning dogs (they did allow Jews to own cats, which are similarly affectionate but are poor defenders). Dogs rarely attack the wrong person (unless they get perverse training) and cannot be turned against their owners. Dogs have keener senses than people, especially at night. Dogs can turn quickly from docile pets to ferocious defenders in seconds. To put it clearly, any dwelling with a dog is a jungle to a criminal.

Like the sorts of predators who have Man on the menu, dogs size us up well.

You can control a gun. A pitbull can turn on you any time and is harder to control.
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