08-04-2016, 12:10 AM
What will happen if Hillary Clinton is elected president? I made this poll just like its parallel thread: "What would happen if Trump is elected president", with the same options.
(08-04-2016, 01:17 AM)MillsT_98 Wrote: [ -> ]I would definitely disagree with you. Hillary will not be impeached (even if the Republicans try it will fail miserably).
Quote: She is actually more honest and trustworthy than Trump, and definitely less dangerous than him (not to mention how unpredictable he is).
Quote:With her being elected, she will try hard to push her progressive agenda, especially since the Democratic Party has been driven left by Sanders and the like.
Quote:I'd be fine with her running as Obama's third term, because that's still better than Trump, but even so, I believe she will be a successful President.
(08-04-2016, 12:10 AM)MillsT_98 Wrote: [ -> ]What will happen if Hillary Clinton is elected president? I made this poll just like its parallel thread: "What would happen if Trump is elected president", with the same options.
(08-04-2016, 12:40 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ]First let me say that I highly doubt she will be elected. Her post convention bump was far lower than Trump's, and her unfavorablity is growing, also it is quite likely she will not fare well in the debates. Seriously Grouchy Commie Grandpa (Sanders) trounced her on a regular basis and he wasn't even really trying to hurt her. Trump won't be nearly as nice, and HRC's reputation as being a hard as nails political animal negates her gynocentric advantage.
Furthermore she's been running as Obama's third term thus far. As such it is likely that in the unlikely event that she is elected she will be an unsuccessful one term president. That of course assumes she isn't forced out for corruption, high crimes and misdemeanors (and the GOP Congress will be looking to take her out...Hillary Hunting is their pastime) impeachment or even health factors.
All of that said in over 200 years of having presidents only one has resigned, and two impeached (both unsuccessfully) and as such I doubt that would resign unless there was a Nixion level scandal (though she does make her own drama and reaps that karma) or she has a stroke or something on national TV.
That said I think it is telling that she's not had a press conference in 243/4 days....not good....not good at all.
(08-04-2016, 12:40 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ]First let me say that I highly doubt she will be elected. Her post convention bump was far lower than Trump's, and her unfavorablity is growing, also it is quite likely she will not fare well in the debates. Seriously Grouchy Commie Grandpa (Sanders) trounced her on a regular basis and he wasn't even really trying to hurt her. Trump won't be nearly as nice, and HRC's reputation as being a hard as nails political animal negates her gynocentric advantage.
Furthermore she's been running as Obama's third term thus far. As such it is likely that in the unlikely event that she is elected she will be an unsuccessful one term president. That of course assumes she isn't forced out for corruption, high crimes and misdemeanors (and the GOP Congress will be looking to take her out...Hillary Hunting is their pastime) impeachment or even health factors.
All of that said in over 200 years of having presidents only one has resigned, and two impeached (both unsuccessfully) and as such I doubt that would resign unless there was a Nixion level scandal (though she does make her own drama and reaps that karma) or she has a stroke or something on national TV.
That said I think it is telling that she's not had a press conference in 243/4 days....not good....not good at all.
(08-04-2016, 10:41 AM)playwrite Wrote: [ -> ]I guess your excuse on the bump difference could be that its hard to tell if Clinton's surge in the polls is due to the convention or to Trump's meltdown in the last 48 hours. On the other hand, given the rest of your fantasy horseshXt, it's pretty easy to attribute it to just more horseshXt spewing from the horse's mouth. You should think about seeing a doctor about that.
(08-04-2016, 11:37 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: [ -> ]Are you at all aware we are now well within the 4T? You and Rags, with your dated worn out 3T scripts. Sheeesh!
(08-04-2016, 03:16 AM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: [ -> ](08-04-2016, 12:10 AM)MillsT_98 Wrote: [ -> ]What will happen if Hillary Clinton is elected president? I made this poll just like its parallel thread: "What would happen if Trump is elected president", with the same options.
1. More wars of choice.
2. Lots of shitty trade deals like TPP, TPIP, etc. get enacted.
3. She and Bubba will get even more rich from more political connections.
4. The White House becomes another tryst site for Bubba.
(08-04-2016, 01:18 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ][quote pid='6677' dateline='1470298611']...
What will happen if Hillary Clinton is elected president? I made this poll just like its parallel thread: "What would happen if Trump is elected president", with the same options.
1. More wars of choice.
2. Lots of shitty trade deals like TPP, TPIP, etc. get enacted.
3. She and Bubba will get even more rich from more political connections.
4. The White House becomes another tryst site for Bubba.
Quote:Those are the things that are NOT going to happen, but that people (who are not on the right-wing) SAY will happen because they aren't listening and don't like the Hillarycartoon.carton.
Quote: As was said, this is not the 3T, and it's not the right place on the Jupiter cycle for another war either. We just passed the cycle in 2013-2014 when we went to war against the IS and started messing around in Syria.
Quote:Even Americans and their presidents need a break before the cycle comes around again. btw, That should be reassuring even if Trump is elected. Whether you believe in astrology or not, that's how the world works. As usual, kinser does not have a clue about that, or about what's happening. But in any case, if you want to know "what's going to happen," astrology is indispensable. That's where I come in
Quote:I don't know what a tryst site is. But brower got it right, I think. It will be 2019, though, before I can predict the 2020 election with greater certainty. It will depend on who the candidates are.
Quote:The "regeneracy" seems to be a gradual ramping up of energy this time, as in the civil war turning. That's what I predicted, and that's what's happening. You don't get much more than a muddle as long as Neptune is in Pisces. You gets lots of people getting in boats and moving around. Lots of passion and no ability to resolve anything. That won't change too much under Hillary and Ryan. The regeneracy will not be in full swing until the 4T is almost over. Just like in 1860, which was the climax of the civil war 4T that began around 1848-1850. But things will get moving more swiftly and constructively after the 2020 election. It's hard even to conceive that, given the retrograde attitude and behavior of the Americans and their toleration for gerrymandering and the other inconceivable relics of the past that they hang on to. But once a 4T gets really moving and reaches toward its climax, we don't know for sure just how far the changes will go. But major revisions in our system and maybe even our borders seem almost certain in 2025-29.
Quote:Another thing I don't get is the fuss about her not having press conferences. Has any candidate other than Trump ever run for president that way? Not that I recall.
(08-04-2016, 12:40 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ]First let me say that I highly doubt she will be elected. Her post convention bump was far lower than Trump's, and her unfavorablity is growing, also it is quite likely she will not fare well in the debates. Seriously Grouchy Commie Grandpa (Sanders) trounced her on a regular basis and he wasn't even really trying to hurt her. Trump won't be nearly as nice, and HRC's reputation as being a hard as nails political animal negates her gynocentric advantage.
Furthermore she's been running as Obama's third term thus far. As such it is likely that in the unlikely event that she is elected she will be an unsuccessful one term president. That of course assumes she isn't forced out for corruption, high crimes and misdemeanors (and the GOP Congress will be looking to take her out...Hillary Hunting is their pastime) impeachment or even health factors.
All of that said in over 200 years of having presidents only one has resigned, and two impeached (both unsuccessfully) and as such I doubt that would resign unless there was a Nixion level scandal (though she does make her own drama and reaps that karma) or she has a stroke or something on national TV.
That said I think it is telling that she's not had a press conference in 243/4 days....not good....not good at all.
(08-04-2016, 06:26 PM)Ragnarök_62 Wrote: [ -> ]There, I fixed it for you. Sorry, I like my hand so I'm sticking. Hillery = carton of sour milk which is yucky.
Quote: (Eric)
As was said, this is not the 3T, and it's not the right place on the Jupiter cycle for another war either. We just passed the cycle in 2013-2014 when we went to war against the IS and started messing around in Syria.
Quote: (Rags)
but, but that mess is ongoing and I'm saying it ain't stopping.
Quote:I have no idea how long that no war cycle lasts, but I'd prefer it last say 50 years. I'm guessing it will take that long to clean up our filthy, filthy planet. Just look at the water in Rio. It's awful, man.Too bad the planets don't move in response to our preferences.
Quote:You don't know what a tryst is? Tryst means a sexual rendezvous.
Quote:4. You're gonna need some geekish sorta politicians who know what this shit is. Hmmm.... Vandal-72 for Idaho Congress!Well, not vandal; he's an idiot. Mikebert I can buy.
Or Mikebert for Michigan Congress as well. So. far fewer lawyers and far more scienciy types, man. So, again, a more boring set of politicians.
Quote:I never noticed the press conferences or lack thereof to be honest. Like I said, I've completely written off the MSM. Sorry Eric, they don't do journalism, but are rather just mouthpieces for whatever.
(08-04-2016, 12:41 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: [ -> ](08-04-2016, 11:37 AM)X_4AD_84 Wrote: [ -> ]Are you at all aware we are now well within the 4T? You and Rags, with your dated worn out 3T scripts. Sheeesh!
We have not yet had a regeneracy. Over use of the filibuster has prevented either side from instigating the major changes and trial and error period where the new culture is invented and given a test drive.
Those who are more into a clockwork and generation based interpretation of S&H can look at generation boundaries and see that we should in theory be in crisis mode. I judge less by the calendar and more by how the society is working. We're still in stagnation and endless debate mode. We are not in transformation and change mode.
The books don't clearly define the 3T 4T border, not to my satisfaction at least. They suggest we can go 4T before the regeneracy. I'm not entirely happy with this. S&H weren't entirely consistent in identifying where the boundary is. Is it the big military catalyst, the Pearl Harbor, Fort Sumpter or Lexington / Concord and the following full mobilization? Is it the election of the guy who will eventually be recognized as the Grey Champion, along with a Congress that will follow his lead? Is it the publication of a transforming document, like the Declaration of Independence?
S&H weren't consistent in this. I suspect they chose whatever event came closest to where their generation borders lined up.
This is in part an argument of definition, a disagreement on the meaning of words. As such it is fairly trivial. I personally am uncomfortable saying we are 8 years into a crisis and have not yet hit the regeneracy. To me, it feels like we are still in stagnant disagreement. Our politics are 3T politics.
Also, S&H turnings last a generation, on the order of 20 years. The peak years of a crises or awakenings are shorter. The intensity and fervor of the religious Great Awakening and Second Great Awakening couldn't be sustained for more than a few years. The Summer of Love centered a similar period of only a few years when flower power was in full flower. Similarly, it takes about four years for the United States to fully mobilize, learn how wars have to be fought given new technology, then crush any military opposition. Crisis wars run about half a decade. Thus it is plausible to say the mood of a culture can last longer than the 20ish year scheduled calendar idea of how long a turning lasts in theory. The critical periods of the active turnings -- awakenings and crises -- are brief. Thus the moods of the less active turnings -- highs and unravellings -- extend long past where the generation borders suggest they should.
Anyway, it would be nice if we could refine the durations of various types of turnings and the key markers than indicate a transition has been made. To me, it is more important to recognize that we haven't had a regeneracy, that the period of trial and error major transforming change hasn't arrived yet.
(08-04-2016, 06:49 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ](08-04-2016, 12:40 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ]First let me say that I highly doubt she will be elected. Her post convention bump was far lower than Trump's, and her unfavorablity is growing, also it is quite likely she will not fare well in the debates. Seriously Grouchy Commie Grandpa (Sanders) trounced her on a regular basis and he wasn't even really trying to hurt her. Trump won't be nearly as nice, and HRC's reputation as being a hard as nails political animal negates her gynocentric advantage.
Furthermore she's been running as Obama's third term thus far. As such it is likely that in the unlikely event that she is elected she will be an unsuccessful one term president. That of course assumes she isn't forced out for corruption, high crimes and misdemeanors (and the GOP Congress will be looking to take her out...Hillary Hunting is their pastime) impeachment or even health factors.
All of that said in over 200 years of having presidents only one has resigned, and two impeached (both unsuccessfully) and as such I doubt that would resign unless there was a Nixion level scandal (though she does make her own drama and reaps that karma) or she has a stroke or something on national TV.
That said I think it is telling that she's not had a press conference in 243/4 days....not good....not good at all.
She will be elected President. The only question is now actuarial. The most likely entity to stop her from succeeding Barack Obama as President is the Grim Reaper.
At this point she is on par with where Barack Obama was on Election night, 2008. I'm not saying that she will win Indiana, but maybe she ends up with Arizona or Missouri instead. As late as early September 2008 the Presidential race looked close to even.
Obama won Florida by just under 4% in 2008 and just under 1% in 2012. Up 6%? Bill Clinton did that in 1996 when Ross Perot siphoned off lots of usual R voters. Maybe that happens this year. Carter won Florida by about 5%... when he won every former Confederate state except Virginia.
Seventeen states and the District of Columbia have not voted for a Republican Presidential nominee since at least 1988. You need remember that Hillary Clinton was shown up 11% in Pennsylvania, probably the shakiest of those states Michigan is up 9%. Those states and the District of Columbia hold 243 electoral votes between them. Florida has 20. 270 wins. Do the math.
The material for the negative campaigns is already in place. If you got sick of the "Willie Horton" ads in 1988, don't worry. The Clinton campaign has a variety this time. Negative ads work. He has bad business dealings, bankruptcies, and preferential hiring of foreigners (even if they come on H1B visas to be hotel staff). He has stiffed contractors. He has shown admiration of nasty dictators -- like Satan Hussein.
...As for Congress taking her out -- one pollster has the generic ballot for Congress at 49-41. Because of gerrymandering, Democrats need to win about 54-46 in House elections overall to win back the House. Republicans have lots of brittle targets in the Senate.
Democrats solved almost all their problems in their Convention. Republicans got through a formality and otherwise solved nothing.