03-14-2017, 05:47 PM
(03-14-2017, 05:32 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: [ -> ]So is fear of tyrannical government. I don't think either analogy is conclusive.
Oh, of course, but there is a big difference between Social Democracy and Literally Stalin.
(03-14-2017, 05:32 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: [ -> ]So is fear of tyrannical government. I don't think either analogy is conclusive.
(03-14-2017, 05:47 PM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ](03-14-2017, 05:32 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: [ -> ]So is fear of tyrannical government. I don't think either analogy is conclusive.
Oh, of course, but there is a big difference between Social Democracy and Literally Stalin.
(03-14-2017, 05:54 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: [ -> ](03-14-2017, 05:47 PM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ](03-14-2017, 05:32 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: [ -> ]So is fear of tyrannical government. I don't think either analogy is conclusive.
Oh, of course, but there is a big difference between Social Democracy and Literally Stalin.
Is there? I thought everybody YOU disagreed with was Literally Hitler.
Perhaps we can turn it around and suggest that there is a sizable difference between Limited Government and Literally Somalia, too.
(03-14-2017, 05:29 PM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ](03-14-2017, 10:15 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ](03-14-2017, 07:00 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]Oligarchs like weak government because it lets them carve out their own fiefdoms and oppress the population without interference. People like Galen are only cheering on their enserfment.
Oligarchs like strong government because it lets them carve out their own fiefdoms and oppress the population without interference. People like Odin are only cheering on their own enserfment.
There, fixed it for you.
Seriously consider for a moment that government is a necessary evil. It might be prudent there for that we have enough government that my neighbor can neither pick my pocket nor break my leg, but not so much where the government is picking my pocket and breaking my leg.
Oligarchical opposition to strong government is a very common theme throughout history in many times and many places.
Quote:That seems valid, although I note that libertarians and anarchists here have argued that Somalia actually works and is prosperous and successful under its chaotic and deadly anarchy.
(03-14-2017, 05:56 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ]That seems valid, although I note that libertarians and anarchists here have argued that Somalia actually works and is prosperous and successful under its chaotic and deadly anarchy.
(03-14-2017, 05:59 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:That seems valid, although I note that libertarians and anarchists here have argued that Somalia actually works and is prosperous and successful under its chaotic and deadly anarchy.
I have also seen people here suggest the Arab Spring would turn out like 1989. I'd take people's claims here with a grain of salt.
(03-14-2017, 06:24 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ](03-14-2017, 05:59 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: [ -> ]Quote:That seems valid, although I note that libertarians and anarchists here have argued that Somalia actually works and is prosperous and successful under its chaotic and deadly anarchy.
I have also seen people here suggest the Arab Spring would turn out like 1989. I'd take people's claims here with a grain of salt.
And I've seen people here suggest that the Arab Spring was engineered by the USA, and that the rebels of Syria are all Al Qaeda and ISIS. Yes, you have to take peoples' claims here with a grain of salt.
(03-14-2017, 05:56 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: [ -> ](03-14-2017, 05:54 PM)SomeGuy Wrote: [ -> ]Is there? I thought everybody YOU disagreed with was Literally Hitler.
Perhaps we can turn it around and suggest that there is a sizable difference between Limited Government and Literally Somalia, too.
That seems valid, although I note that libertarians and anarchists here have argued that Somalia actually works and is prosperous and successful under its chaotic and deadly anarchy.
(03-15-2017, 07:25 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but claiming that the average Somali qualifies as mentally disabled is complete nonsense.
(03-15-2017, 07:25 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but claiming that the average Somali qualifies as mentally disabled is complete nonsense.
(03-15-2017, 07:25 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but claiming that the average Somali qualifies as mentally disabled is complete nonsense.
(03-15-2017, 08:17 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ](03-15-2017, 07:25 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but claiming that the average Somali qualifies as mentally disabled is complete nonsense.
Not really. I suggest you move to somewhere in Minnesota that they've taken over. Even other Blacks hate the Somalis.
But we also have to understand that IQ tests do also to some degree measure formal education which is non-existent in Somalia.
(03-15-2017, 03:11 PM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ](03-15-2017, 08:17 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ](03-15-2017, 07:25 AM)Odin Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry, but claiming that the average Somali qualifies as mentally disabled is complete nonsense.
Not really. I suggest you move to somewhere in Minnesota that they've taken over. Even other Blacks hate the Somalis.
But we also have to understand that IQ tests do also to some degree measure formal education which is non-existent in Somalia.
It is more a case of formal education allows you to keep what you got. IQ is generally a measure of cognitive ability and making use of that ability such as learning skills in formal education can help you maintain that.
It is also worth noting that the lower the average IQ of a nation the worse its conditions tend to be. Take a look at where most nations of the middle east clock in and you will see what I mean.
(03-15-2017, 03:41 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ](03-15-2017, 03:11 PM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]It is more a case of formal education allows you to keep what you got. IQ is generally a measure of cognitive ability and making use of that ability such as learning skills in formal education can help you maintain that.
It is also worth noting that the lower the average IQ of a nation the worse its conditions tend to be. Take a look at where most nations of the middle east clock in and you will see what I mean.
Oh that's not in dispute. It also explains why Africa is the way it is too. But for people like Odin's edification averages are just that, averages. There are exceptions on both the high and low ends.
As to IQ and formal education, I'd say you're more or less right. One needs to have a decent IQ to make use of an education (See my arguments as to why most people actually shouldn't be in or go to university). However, I would also say that someone with a relatively low IQ can make use of an education to appear to be smarter than they actually are.
A couple posters on this forum seem to come to mind.
(03-15-2017, 03:53 PM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ](03-15-2017, 03:41 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ](03-15-2017, 03:11 PM)Galen Wrote: [ -> ]It is more a case of formal education allows you to keep what you got. IQ is generally a measure of cognitive ability and making use of that ability such as learning skills in formal education can help you maintain that.
It is also worth noting that the lower the average IQ of a nation the worse its conditions tend to be. Take a look at where most nations of the middle east clock in and you will see what I mean.
Oh that's not in dispute. It also explains why Africa is the way it is too. But for people like Odin's edification averages are just that, averages. There are exceptions on both the high and low ends.
As to IQ and formal education, I'd say you're more or less right. One needs to have a decent IQ to make use of an education (See my arguments as to why most people actually shouldn't be in or go to university). However, I would also say that someone with a relatively low IQ can make use of an education to appear to be smarter than they actually are.
A couple posters on this forum seem to come to mind.
Another point people don't understand is that IQ distributions between the sexes are also different. That the standard deviation in IQ for women is much less than it is for men. The practical result of this is that there a fewer female geniuses but there are also fewer female idiots as well.
The problem liberals and progressives have is that they think everything is an arbitrary societal norm and that people are infinitely malleable. It never occurs to them that societal norms are a consequence rather than a cause. Couple that with a missionary like zeal and disaster soon follows.
(03-15-2017, 03:41 PM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ]As to IQ and formal education, I'd say you're more or less right. One needs to have a decent IQ to make use of an education (See my arguments as to why most people actually shouldn't be in or go to university). However, I would also say that someone with a relatively low IQ can make use of an education to appear to be smarter than they actually are.
A couple posters on this forum seem to come to mind.
Rags Wrote:2. Kinser, which are said posters? I'm pretty sure males have a wider IQ dispersion, wrt to statistics.