05-30-2019, 09:35 AM
It seems like they get all of the bad. Is there any good side that extends to our lives, not the life of some hypothetical children in the future?
(05-30-2019, 09:35 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like they get all of the bad. Is there any good side that extends to our lives, not the life of some hypothetical children in the future?
(05-30-2019, 09:35 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like they get all of the bad. Is there any good side that extends to our lives, not the life of some hypothetical children in the future?
(05-30-2019, 10:15 AM)David Horn Wrote: [ -> ](05-30-2019, 09:35 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like they get all of the bad. Is there any good side that extends to our lives, not the life of some hypothetical children in the future?
Civics tend to bear burdens in youth and collect their due in later life. That certainly beats the opposite, where a soft beginning leads to an unmanageable elderhood. Many Silents suffered when the market went south just as retirement loomed, though others where well protected by pensions. Boomers are less protected by pensions, and an economic crisis might leave a lot of us in poverty, just when recovery is impossible. We still have to see this play out.
FWIW, I think I'm in decent shape, regardless.
(05-30-2019, 11:42 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ](05-30-2019, 10:15 AM)David Horn Wrote: [ -> ](05-30-2019, 09:35 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like they get all of the bad. Is there any good side that extends to our lives, not the life of some hypothetical children in the future?
Civics tend to bear burdens in youth and collect their due in later life. That certainly beats the opposite, where a soft beginning leads to an unmanageable elderhood. Many Silents suffered when the market went south just as retirement loomed, though others where well protected by pensions. Boomers are less protected by pensions, and an economic crisis might leave a lot of us in poverty, just when recovery is impossible. We still have to see this play out.
FWIW, I think I'm in decent shape, regardless.
Also -- Civic youth rarely get the opportunity for flamboyant expressions of self (Liberace is the most flagrant exception), and they usually reach economic adulthood after they have saved the world and put more emphasis on quality than on display in such things as real estate, cars, etc.
Late-wave Boomers started a trend of job-jumping in which they took 'survival' jobs that they did for six months to a year while looking for something else. Long-term employment became a rarity, and most businesses abandoned pensions as a reward.
(05-30-2019, 11:42 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ]When did the job hopping trend start? the 00s? What caused them to also start the trend of firing people easily for things like "not being the right fit"? or some nonsense like that?(05-30-2019, 10:15 AM)David Horn Wrote: [ -> ](05-30-2019, 09:35 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like they get all of the bad. Is there any good side that extends to our lives, not the life of some hypothetical children in the future?
Civics tend to bear burdens in youth and collect their due in later life. That certainly beats the opposite, where a soft beginning leads to an unmanageable elderhood. Many Silents suffered when the market went south just as retirement loomed, though others where well protected by pensions. Boomers are less protected by pensions, and an economic crisis might leave a lot of us in poverty, just when recovery is impossible. We still have to see this play out.
FWIW, I think I'm in decent shape, regardless.
Also -- Civic youth rarely get the opportunity for flamboyant expressions of self (Liberace is the most flagrant exception), and they usually reach economic adulthood after they have saved the world and put more emphasis on quality than on display in such things as real estate, cars, etc.
Late-wave Boomers started a trend of job-jumping in which they took 'survival' jobs that they did for six months to a year while looking for something else. Long-term employment became a rarity, and most businesses abandoned pensions as a reward.
(05-30-2019, 02:03 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ]When did the job hopping trend start? the 00s? What caused them to also start the trend of firing people easily for things like "not being the right fit"? or some nonsense like that?
(05-30-2019, 02:03 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ](05-30-2019, 11:42 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ]When did the job hopping trend start? the 00s? What caused them to also start the trend of firing people easily for things like "not being the right fit"? or some nonsense like that?(05-30-2019, 10:15 AM)David Horn Wrote: [ -> ](05-30-2019, 09:35 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like they get all of the bad. Is there any good side that extends to our lives, not the life of some hypothetical children in the future?
Civics tend to bear burdens in youth and collect their due in later life. That certainly beats the opposite, where a soft beginning leads to an unmanageable elderhood. Many Silents suffered when the market went south just as retirement loomed, though others where well protected by pensions. Boomers are less protected by pensions, and an economic crisis might leave a lot of us in poverty, just when recovery is impossible. We still have to see this play out.
FWIW, I think I'm in decent shape, regardless.
Also -- Civic youth rarely get the opportunity for flamboyant expressions of self (Liberace is the most flagrant exception), and they usually reach economic adulthood after they have saved the world and put more emphasis on quality than on display in such things as real estate, cars, etc.
Late-wave Boomers started a trend of job-jumping in which they took 'survival' jobs that they did for six months to a year while looking for something else. Long-term employment became a rarity, and most businesses abandoned pensions as a reward.
(05-30-2019, 10:07 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ](05-30-2019, 10:01 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ]Because to my core I do not believe in what nihilism represents which is, "a person who believes that life is meaningless and rejects all religious and moral principles." Meaning it just has no place in my life as I do not see life as meaningless and I have my own beliefs and morals. A 4T cannot shake that from me because I am a stronger person than that and who I am to the core is stronger than what a 4T can throw at me.(05-30-2019, 05:12 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Like others have said we struggle earlier in life, and find balance in our elder years till of course the next prophets come along to topple our sand castle for whatever reason they see fits at the time. I rather this as id rather learn early and carry those lessons with me as I age rather than be sheltered and suffer the consequences much later in life. I have learned a lot from just watching my mother do this who yes, is a boomer. She is a total idiot with money and basics of being an adult.
How did you get through the 4T without developing a nihilistic attitude? What I learned is to have fun when you can even if it's unwise because another crash can always wipe everything away. Hold on to moments because they can always be gone in a second. Be adaptable to the situation; never count on anything ever being the same. Things change like lightening. Use strategies to get what you want and be resourceful. Base your life strategy in both the now and the projected future. Never have the same life strategy applied to all situations.
(05-30-2019, 10:35 AM)Kinser79 Wrote: [ -> ](05-30-2019, 09:35 AM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like they get all of the bad. Is there any good side that extends to our lives, not the life of some hypothetical children in the future?
Yes. You get to spend most of your prime earning years in a stable if bland society that reflects your generation's values for good or ill.
(05-30-2019, 10:16 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ](05-30-2019, 10:07 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ](05-30-2019, 10:01 PM)AspieMillennial Wrote: [ -> ]Because to my core I do not believe in what nihilism represents which is, "a person who believes that life is meaningless and rejects all religious and moral principles." Meaning it just has no place in my life as I do not see life as meaningless and I have my own beliefs and morals. A 4T cannot shake that from me because I am a stronger person than that and who I am to the core is stronger than what a 4T can throw at me.(05-30-2019, 05:12 PM)taramarie Wrote: [ -> ]Like others have said we struggle earlier in life, and find balance in our elder years till of course the next prophets come along to topple our sand castle for whatever reason they see fits at the time. I rather this as id rather learn early and carry those lessons with me as I age rather than be sheltered and suffer the consequences much later in life. I have learned a lot from just watching my mother do this who yes, is a boomer. She is a total idiot with money and basics of being an adult.
How did you get through the 4T without developing a nihilistic attitude? What I learned is to have fun when you can even if it's unwise because another crash can always wipe everything away. Hold on to moments because they can always be gone in a second. Be adaptable to the situation; never count on anything ever being the same. Things change like lightening. Use strategies to get what you want and be resourceful. Base your life strategy in both the now and the projected future. Never have the same life strategy applied to all situations.
I have some moral principles but a lot of what I believe is based on what's practical and pragmatic. I do see a lot of the world as random and arbitrary. For example, I see myself as born randomly and random existing in this time and place. I see things as just happening to me with me reacting to them. I also see contradictions everywhere and think words and actions don't always correlate. Actions speak far louder to me.
(05-31-2019, 07:08 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: [ -> ]Their childhood is protected better than the Nomads' one, but still freer than the Artists' one. I know of Nomads whose parents (mind: rich parents!) wouldn't even care when their kids were molested or worse by teachers in school. They dismissed it like this: "Eh, the kid has a lot of fantasy." - If your parents ordered you around a bit - see it as the insurance for not being molested.
Quote:Their burden as young soldiers or workers is admittedly hard - but at least they have something to be proud of which nobody can steal from them. (Admittedly, this was true for former Civics. For Millennials, not so much.)
Quote:In mid-life, they had a lot of work - but also made good money. A lot of money was taken by the state from Losts and given the G.I.s.
Quote:Their high age when they were criticized by their "Prophet" kids sucked of course. But we should consider that the G.I.s made mistakes themselves, when they spoilt their Boomer kids rotten. They should have known better, but I guess they dismissed the Nomads who warned them as old fogeys.
Quote:And that's a mistake I don't forgive them: After they spoilt their Boomer kids rotten, and said kids rebelled against them, they joined in punishing the Xers (for their own failing!). Why are Xers even considered the generation of "lost civic virtue"? It's the Boomers who should be identified as that. When did they ever do something civic?
(05-31-2019, 08:54 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: [ -> ](05-31-2019, 07:08 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: [ -> ]Their childhood is protected better than the Nomads' one, but still freer than the Artists' one. I know of Nomads whose parents (mind: rich parents!) wouldn't even care when their kids were molested or worse by teachers in school. They dismissed it like this: "Eh, the kid has a lot of fantasy." - If your parents ordered you around a bit - see it as the insurance for not being molested.
It is hardly surprising that the crackdown on molestation begins just as Reactive generations start approaching adulthood. Here is one of the earliest examples of the crackdown. Notice the birthdate.
(05-31-2019, 07:08 PM)Hintergrund Wrote: [ -> ]Their childhood is protected better than the Nomads' one, but still freer than the Artists' one. I know of Nomads whose parents (mind: rich parents!) wouldn't even care when their kids were molested or worse by teachers in school. They dismissed it like this: "Eh, the kid has a lot of fantasy." - If your parents ordered you around a bit - see it as the insurance for not being molested.
Quote:Their burden as young soldiers or workers is admittedly hard - but at least they have something to be proud of which nobody can steal from them. (Admittedly, this was true for former Civics. For Millennials, not so much.)
Quote:In mid-life, they had a lot of work - but also made good money. A lot of money was taken by the state from Losts and given the G.I.s.
Quote:Their high age when they were criticized by their "Prophet" kids sucked of course. But we should consider that the G.I.s made mistakes themselves, when they spoilt their Boomer kids rotten. They should have known better, but I guess they dismissed the Nomads who warned them as old fogeys.
Quote:And that's a mistake I don't forgive them: After they spoilt their Boomer kids rotten, and said kids rebelled against them, they joined in punishing the Xers (for their own failing!). Why are Xers even considered the generation of "lost civic virtue"? It's the Boomers who should be identified as that. When did they ever do something civic?
(05-31-2019, 02:11 PM)Tim Randal Walker Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, Kinser has a good point. 1T can be a good time to be a Civic. Such a time can seem bland/boring to other archetypes; but I didn't have my young adulthood during a Crisis era. And for Civics on the elder side of a generation gap, the calm of a 1T must seem pleasant compared to the upheaval of a 2T.