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  Generation Defining Moments
Posted by: jleagans - 10-27-2020, 01:42 AM - Forum: Turnings - Replies (1)

One of the main ideas I’ve been tossing around is the notion that generations start and end with a MOMENT THAT CHANGES THE NATIONAL MOOD. Sorry for the all caps. Those moments also start the new turnings . 

Moments : 

End of world war 2 -> Boomers (we can win !)
JFK dead -> Gen X (Deep cynicism )
Morning in America -> Millennials (optimism )
9/11-> Zoomers (overly protected and coddled )

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  What the next First Turning won't be like
Posted by: Mickey123 - 10-26-2020, 11:46 PM - Forum: Turnings - Replies (145)

There's a general impression in this forum that the worst of the Crisis is behind us and we're on the verge of entering the next High, without much of a crisis ever actually happening.  I've realized that the reason for this is that people here have no concept of what the next High is actually going to be like.

There's a vague idea among many people here that the next High is basically going to be like the unraveling, except with some laundry list of liberal improvements, like racism having disappeared or big corporations being forced to behave themselves and pay workers more.  But this isn't what it will be like at all.  It can't be, because that's not what a first turning is like.

First turnings are culturally conservative. They are a time of conformity.  Yes, the divide between wealthy and poor is less, but this is not because people are more liberal, but because everyone, including large corporations, is expected to do what's best for the group instead of what's best for themselves.  The last awakening began with hippies doing their own thing in the parks, and ended with big companies doing their own thing and not having to follow any particular rules or standards.  By the High this process has been reversed.  Companies do what's best for society, and so do individuals, because everyone must conform.

There will be a repolarization of male/female sex roles.  Men and women will be seen as fundamentally different, and these differences will be accepted and even celebrated.  This doesn't mean a return to the 1950s system where women were not allowed to work most jobs, but it means that any ideas that men and women are the same will be abandoned.  Feminism as a movement will not exist, unless it is repurposed to point out the value of being a woman (under society's new consensus on what it is to be a woman).

People will respect social institutions, respect the government, the press, the police, and so on.  This doesn't mean that these institutions will fundamentally be better than they are now or were in the past, but the time for criticism of them will be over.

We are a long, long way from the above.  How do we get there from here?  The answer is, we don't.  We can't go directly from here to there.  The only way to get there is for the crisis to be so large that everyone comes together to solve it, and then the spirit of coming together lasts once the crisis is over. 

I'm guessing this will take some sort of revolutionary or civil war in the U.S.  It might be something else, but it won't be "and then Joe Biden was elected and a vaccine was found for covid-19 and everyone lived happily ever after".

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  TikTokers?
Posted by: Bob Butler 54 - 10-26-2020, 08:00 AM - Forum: Generations - Replies (6)

I was watching coverage of a new generation starting to vote, when the taking head referred to the new voters as Tik Tokers.  Seems better than giving them a name based on a letter of the alphabet.

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  Halloween for Xer kids vs. New Silent kids
Posted by: GeekyCynic - 10-24-2020, 09:09 PM - Forum: Homeland Generation/New Adaptive Generation - Replies (3)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffpos...932076/amp

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  Halloween was way more dangerous for 70s kids
Posted by: GeekyCynic - 10-24-2020, 09:06 PM - Forum: Generation X - Replies (2)

https://www.metv.com/lists/6-scary-reaso...r-70s-kids

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  Coming Age of Aquarius
Posted by: Isoko - 10-23-2020, 03:55 PM - Forum: Religion, Spirituality and Astrology - Replies (16)

So, this is my thoughts regarding the Age of Aquarius to come. It is something I have discussed recently with Eric and I thought we could continue to put thoughts together on what this age could mean, along with the future that it could bring. 

Aquarius is an interesting sign. It is the water bearer and it brings along the concept of air which is of course intellect. There is debates on what this intellect could itself bring. The last time we had an air mutation was around the 1980s to the 2000s which brought in advancements such as the Internet and political upheavals such as the collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe. So we can get an idea of what is happening. 

We are due to enter the next great mutation, which is once again air, in a few short months. This itself will supposedly last for 199 years approximately. 

So, when did Aquarius start? From my own Occult research, I would say that Aquarius came into being around the late 19th century. I would guesstimate the 1890s but it could have been earlier.

So what actually changed? It started to give birth to the age of the individual which has been slowly replacing the former patriarchal societies that were part of the Pisces sign.

Aquarius has come into obvious conflicts with Pisces and this resulted in the two world wars, the cold War and now Islam and other authoritarian tendencies. Yet I feel its ultimate goal is to empower the individual and move away from traditional societies, in particular the heavy dominance of the nation state. 

Does that mean all nation states will disappear? No, a few will continue to exist, just as tribes still exist in Papua New Guinea and elsewhere. Just as Pagans still existed (albeit in small numbers) in Christian Europe, so too will some nations still exist. I predict that we could end up with one dominant global society in the next few centuries along with a few outliers still hanging about. Think of Israel, Armenia and Azerbaijan, Greece, North Korea.

However I expect Pisces to fully end by 2150 - 2160, which is interestingly enough the same time frame as Eric's prophecy. Yet I have two key ingredients to add to the mix on this one.

1) Russia. My research is indicating Russia has a huge role to play around the Middle 22nd century. Looks like the birth of some new church. Why does Russia fit in strongly at the same time Eric is predicting global world government? Could Russia have a major leading role in this? I'm not sure but Russia seems to crop up a lot.

Obviously I don't see any signs of this in modern day Putins Russia so this seems to be a far off future event. But even still, Russia for some reason keeps cropping up. I'd be interested to see if Eric has any thoughts more in depth in the role Russia could be playing in regards to this. 

2) Aquarius won't be a utopia. It won't be a golden age. I think we will have unity for a while but from what I've heard (although I cannot be hugely sure), there will be a dividing factor in the age. I tend to think of it like Brexit. Everything will be working but eventually start to decline and somebody decides to go their own way. But it'll be a long process before division sets in. For a while at least there will be more unity. 

The waves of Aquarius go up and down. There will be good spots and bad. But it will be something rather very different to the previous Piscean age we've lived in. 

You know, last year I read of an Indian astrologer who actually was able to add in the Hindu yugas to modern astrology. He found that the years of the yugas had been vastly over represented and found they actually fit neatly into modern astrology. Basing it off the Christian calendar, he found that the crucifixion brought in the modern kali yuga and we left it to the Dwarpara yuga (the age of energy) around about 1500s.

He predicted we'd sort of reach the next better yuga (the silver) around 4000AD, which is capricorn. So fitting this in with Aquarius, we are still very much in a bronze age and will likely continue to be in the nearby future. 

Any thoughts on this one Eric? 

Anyway ill leave it here. Thanks for reading.

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  Zoomers
Posted by: jleagans - 10-21-2020, 02:47 PM - Forum: Homeland Generation/New Adaptive Generation - Replies (1)

The gen of the cliche topical name

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  4T = 9.11.01 -> 11.04.20
Posted by: jleagans - 10-21-2020, 02:41 PM - Forum: Turnings - Replies (27)

Calling it ! (And praying for it )

9/11 turned us down a dark road of polarization and enmity amidst the Boomer cognitive decline feeding it all.

This election the millennial soldiers save democracy itself and usher in the 1T.

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  Fascism is on the ballot
Posted by: Eric the Green - 10-10-2020, 10:04 PM - Forum: General Political Discussion - Replies (160)

This essay was prompted by seeing Rick Steves' program on fascism, and his warning that it can still happen here.
https://youtu.be/JU1IVW6uqM0

We now have a leader who wants to abolish democracy, and he is on the ballot. Trump is the reincarnation of Mussolini, and he is using his playbook. Trump wants to "get rid of the ballots" and install himself in power. He and his henchmen under McConnell have filled the Courts with reactionaries who will install him in power. Some of them have already restricted ballots in Wisconsin, and made qualified people pay to vote in Florida. More rulings may be coming. McConnell and Trump are now ramming through a fascist Christian ideologue onto the Supreme Court before the election so she can join 4 other reactionaries already appointed by him and Bush to install him in power.

Our new fuhrer/duce, our dear leader, has called on his brown shirts to "stand by." He has sent his goons to gas protesters in DC for a photo op, to execute a prisoner without trial in a hail of bullets, and to stoke riots in Portland and other cities. He has asked that they defend his stand to stay in power in Washington and in his White House bunker. He has called on his Attorney General not only to defend him against charges about his personal behavior, and hold him above the law in his dispute with New York, but now to explicitly arrest all his political opponents and put them in jail. "Why haven't Hillary, Obama and Biden been arrested yet?" he cries, almost sounding like Hitler who shouted "Is Paris burning yet?" in 1944. 

And yet this dictator, this fascist tyrant, is still on the ballot, and currently still has 42% of deceived, angry, fearful, prejudiced Americans like Classic Xer at his beck and call, ready to march and, as Classic Xer says, wipe out all his opponents. The new fascist ideology, though it has much in common with those a century ago and others around the world today, is also uniquely American. It not only subordinates everything to the state, but conceives this state according to supposed "Americanism." It is called neo-liberalism, which has not hestitated to support dictators like Pinochet in the past, as long as they keep big business from being taxed and regulated and keep an established economic elite in power. That is the fascist goal, an untrammeled "free enterprise" system that takes away all real freedom. Only people of "good Christian character" who oppose abortion and believe in a totalitarian God above us are capable of being good capitalist Americans, who are willing and able march in lockstep with whatever their bosses command. I have described this plague in my essay on free market ideology

This neo-liberalism is largely based in racism, using it as a dog whistle or a TRUMPet to appeal to resentment against taxes for welfare for "those people" who "depend on government" and "don't work," and the neo-liberals thus encourage and stoke white supremacy. Fear of America's increasing diversity through immigration and civil rights movements is the easiest and most reliable fear and prejudice that the oligarchs and their believers can appeal to in order to get support for their all-out attack on democracy, Nature and civilization. They empower and encourage their police to kill innocent young people of color, and when these people of color and their allies object and sometimes lash out, it is the first excuse to impose martial law on everyone. Along with that is the always reliable misogyny, which they can call upon to preserve male values and keep women in subordination.

This American fascist ideology is especially anti-intellectual and against individualist thinking. Since the 1970s one of its chief goals has been to denigrate education and privatize schools. They demolish Jefferson's and Horace Mann's ideals of an informed citizenry able to attend good schools and learn civics no matter what economic class or religion you belong to, and instead insult and demean teachers and restrict their funding and their unions. More recently they have targeted America's universities, the most outstanding in the world and the source of our economic wealth and scientific prowess, as "an elite" that seeks to impose political correctness and suppress free speech. Using this phony attack, they aim to relegate our universities to oblivion and to attack, demean, insult and fire our professors. They substitute this "elite" for the real one that they support and bankroll, the real elite which seeks to put our country lock, stock and barrel under the control of a few rich plutocrats who call all the shots, and who own our congress and our government through their supreme court decisions which equate money with free speech. Using their ownership of economic power to shut down all reform in congress, and block it in our Courts and through voter suppression, American fascists increasingly allow their oligarchic leaders to impose lousy working conditions, depress wages, replace workers with robots, shut down factories, swallow up real free businesses, cut social programs, health care and safety nets, ruin the economy with unregulated speculation justified by anti-socialist slogans, despoil our environment beyond repair, keep enormous profits for themselves, and send jobs overseas. They attack the media as the enemy of the people, and eagerly get on board with rising anti-scientific conspiracy theory culture to instill substitution of fantasy for real research and data, thus furthering their own ability to deceive the people.

People must decide now whether to allow this American fascism to succeed. Are we to go the way of fascist Germany and Italy? Franco's Spain or Chile's Pinochet? Donald Trump the fascist must be defeated at the polls by the largest margin we can muster, perhaps even dwarfing previous landslides, and flip his Senate Democratic too. Trump's project of getting legislators to substitute loyal trump electors for those elected by the people must be stopped, and his Court decisions overturned if possible. His fascist project of sending his armed "poll watcher" brown shirts in MAGA hats to intimidate voters at the polls must be exposed and countered. His plan of sending his proud boys and militias to invade Washington to prop him up in power must be defeated. His new fascist supreme court must be blocked and reformed by any means necessary, and the Senate filibuster reformed, so that the people can pass the needed reforms to stop this emerging fascism, and to free our society from 40 years of trickle-down, free-market, neo-liberalism ideology which has led us to this moment of potential doom. 

The people need action. It is urgent not only because of the fascist threat that could end our democracy and our republic, but the threats to our future, our safety and our prosperity that 40 years of incipient neo-liberalism has created since the charming faux-macho actor created the culture and ideology that is now out there clamouring for their new dear leader and their nation under their exclusive "God" and against "communism." The defeat of American fascism offers the momentum and the chance to build back better: to support sustainable, renewable energy and other measures to restore our climate and revitalize the Nature which restores and supports us, to jump-start our public and civics education, to create new jobs in new industries, science and health care, to unleash full prosperity by opening up our democracy and economy to all, to cure the pandemic in which Trump has imprisoned us, and to free us from division and resentment, and foster instead a new American life of openness, love, art, spirit and celebration.

It is not at all clear now that fascism (now called the Trumpist Republican Party) can be defeated and put out of power. All hands on deck, democrats and Democrats! Now and through the 2020s and beyond if necessary!

Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism
https://www.bremertonschools.org/cms/lib...slides.pdf

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  Michigan plot, October 2020
Posted by: pbrower2a - 10-09-2020, 02:25 PM - Forum: General Political Discussion - Replies (51)

(taken from a rarely-read board that I tried to revive)

Literal TREASON against a state:

by: Adam Fisher
Posted: Oct 8, 2020 / 10:36 AM EDT / Updated: Oct 8, 2020 / 12:25 PM EDT



LANSING, Mich (WLNS)- 6 News has learned, State law enforcement stopped a ‘massive statewide’ plot to kidnap and kill Michigan Governor.

Six men already faces federal charges in that plot, and authorities say, they even went as far as to find and watch her vacation home and building bombs, authorities say.
A document filed in federal court Tuesday identifies the suspects as Adam Fox, Barry Croft, Ty Garbin, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta.


In the criminal complaint, an FBI agent wrote that talk of targeting the governor surfaced as early as June as Fox and other members of an unnamed militia met in Ohio. They were angry about Whitmer’s mandates issued in response to the coronavirus that shut down businesses.
The documents show that as conversations continued over the following months, sometimes at tactical training gatherings, a more firm plan formed.


“Fox described it as a ‘Snatch and grab, man. Grab the (expletive) Governor. Just grab the (expletive). Because that that point, we do that, dude — it’s over,’” the criminal complaint reads in part.


According to the document, the militia members talked about storming the state Capitol in Lansing and killing police officers, but Garbin shut that idea down. It was then the focus turned to the governor’s vacation home. The suspects allegedly figured out where that house was and went there Aug. 29 to scope it out.


Fox ultimately bought a Taser to use in the attack. In addition to discussing various bombings, Garbin suggested blowing up a nearby bridge in an effort to slow the police response.


The plan was to take Whitmer to Wisconsin and hold a kangaroo court trial for treason.
There was talk of actually carrying out the plan on the night of Sept. 12 and Sept. 13, but Croft thought the time was not right, so the suspects held off. They wanted to do it before the Nov. 3 election.


Fox had been staying at the Vac Shack at the intersection of S. Division Avenue and 36th Street in Grand Rapids, which was raided by the FBI Wednesday.
The store’s owner Brian Titus told News 8 he has known Fox since he was a child. He said he knew Fox was in a militia, but didn’t know how serious his anti-government opinions had gotten.


“I thought he was just trying to stand up for our constitutional rights,” Titus, clearly upset, said.


He said Fox had “changed” in the last eight months, objecting to wearing a mask because he thought it was a violation of his rights. Titus said he attended a protest of militia members at the state Capitol over the summer.


All the suspects except for Croft, who is from Delaware, are from Michigan. Harris lives in Lake Orion.


The Michigan Attorney General will Join both the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Michigan, and Eastern District of Michigan, as well as the FBI, and Michigan State Police Colonial at 1 PM to discuss the plot, and their investigation.


LANSING, Mich. (WLNS)– Happening today at 1 PM Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel will make a joint announcement with several law enforcement officials across the state.
Those officials include:

  • Andrew Birge, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Michigan

  • Matthew Schneider, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan

  • Josh Hauxhurst, Assistant Special Agent-in-Charge, F.B.I.

  • Michigan State Police Col. Joseph Casper

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