(12-22-2020, 12:20 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 12:15 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 10:25 AM)David Horn Wrote: C-Xer and his allies believe -- deeply believe -- that white America is under siege, and being attacked from all sides.  They also believe they are the true Americans, and their opponents are <insert your degrading characterization of choice>. If you believe that, and you also believe your adversaries are anti-American, then it's easy to declare a no-holds-barred standard in opposing them -- and that's where we are.

What they believe - deeply believe - is in the division of wealth, in small government, that by hurting the working man and wealth going to the elites they remain 'superior' to minorities.  It would take a Hiroshima level event to make the examine the worth of this belief.  The deaths caused by COVID and the Black Lives Matter protests are not allowed to penetrate their thoughts.

And they are being attacked from all sides for these beliefs.  They believe in Identity Politics, that America exists for them alone, and all others are locked out.  For believing that, it is proper that they be attacked from all sides.

For all the good that that recognizing the problem does.

They can try to embrace racism, doublethink, elitism, cutting jobs, benefits, unions, concentration camps, authoritarianism all they like.  They can try to justify it by saying retaining their privileged position justifies hurting the things that got them that position.

Just so long as they recognized that their selfishness and greed is noted, and that no matter how they mischaracterize their opponents, the crisis problems will be countered.

Sure they can lie to themselves.  They can cluck like chickens.  It won't do them any good.

I agree, blues continuing to do stuff like  this won't do them any good in the long run.

(12-20-2020, 10:25 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 07:59 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 07:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Identity Politics goes against equality by teaching/promoting inferiority and reliance upon the state. It's backwards and counter productive and impedes progress. The Democratic party is still racist and still uses racism as a political tool today. I'd suggest that you stop using it and playing with it like them before it blows up in your face.

It occurs to me that if the early part of the crisis, before the trigger and regeneracy, resembles the unravelling, then the younger generations have seen nothing but the unravelling.  The suggestion that the arrow of progress is decisive is most true of the crisis, and least true of the unraveling.  It this seems prudent to point out which side is which.

The side that tries to suppress the vote by frivolous lawsuits and throw away elections would be autocratic.  The side that tries to run get out the vote campaigns and wins the election just before the federal regeneracy is democratic.

The side that is endorsed by the Neo Nazi and KKK would be racist.  The side which is associated with the NAACP and NOW would be for equality.

The side which tears children from their parents and puts them in concentration camps is against human rights.  The side which respects all peoples rights would favor the arrow.

You can try doublespeak.  You can try to define the wrong end of the arrow as the pointy end.  It just makes you look ridiculous.

I’d suggest you quit the doublespeak before it blows up in your face.

C-Xer and his allies believe -- deeply believe -- that white America is under siege, and being attacked from all sides.  They also believe they are the true Americans, and their opponents are <insert your degrading characterization of choice>. If you believe that, and you also believe your adversaries are anti-American, then it's easy to declare a no-holds-barred standard in opposing them -- and that's where we are.

(12-22-2020, 01:07 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-22-2020, 12:20 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 12:15 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 10:25 AM)David Horn Wrote: C-Xer and his allies believe -- deeply believe -- that white America is under siege, and being attacked from all sides.  They also believe they are the true Americans, and their opponents are <insert your degrading characterization of choice>. If you believe that, and you also believe your adversaries are anti-American, then it's easy to declare a no-holds-barred standard in opposing them -- and that's where we are.

What they believe - deeply believe - is in the division of wealth, in small government, that by hurting the working man and wealth going to the elites they remain 'superior' to minorities.  It would take a Hiroshima level event to make the examine the worth of this belief.  The deaths caused by COVID and the Black Lives Matter protests are not allowed to penetrate their thoughts.

And they are being attacked from all sides for these beliefs.  They believe in Identity Politics, that America exists for them alone, and all others are locked out.  For believing that, it is proper that they be attacked from all sides.

For all the good that that recognizing the problem does.

They can try to embrace racism, doublethink, elitism, cutting jobs, benefits, unions, concentration camps, authoritarianism all they like.  They can try to justify it by saying retaining their privileged position justifies hurting the things that got them that position.

Just so long as they recognized that their selfishness and greed is noted, and that no matter how they mischaracterize their opponents, the crisis problems will be countered.

Sure they can lie to themselves.  They can cluck like chickens.  It won't do them any good.

I agree, blues continuing to do stuff like  this won't do them any good in the long run.

I agree, reds continuing to do stuff like this won't do them any good in the long run.

(12-21-2020, 09:19 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-21-2020, 01:34 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 07:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 06:21 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 04:15 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm sure that he has assembled the best that identity politics has to offer these days.

"Identity politics."  Interesting phrase.  It seems to be one of those racist key phrases.  It tries to make a positive out of racism.  Traditionally, the best jobs are reserved for white males.  It means your selection pool is very limited.  The result doesn't look like America, but a much smaller part of America which tends to be elitist.

Racism is one of the issues of the crisis, any you seem to be on the wrong side.  A look at the cabinet, and the Republicans are definitely on the wrong side.  The key problems of the crisis tend to be solved rather brutally.  This one, less so.  The arrow of progress - democracy, equality, human rights - seems not to be pointing in your direction these days.  Ignore the arrow and you find yourself heading for ruin.

Identity Politics goes against equality by teaching/promoting inferiority and reliance upon the state. It's backwards and counter productive and impedes progress. The Democratic party is still racist and still uses racism as a political tool today. I'd suggest that you stop using it and playing with it like them before it blows up in your face.

The most blatant expressions of identity politics are those of racist, reactionary white people who have contempt for anyone not white, straight, Christian, and similarly reactionary. Trump exploited that in the extreme. It worked once. The Democratic Party is much closer to being a Big Tent than is the Greedy Old Profiteers Party.

Enough white people have no use for that garbage that Trump could not get re-elected.

Hey, maybe that GOP abbreviation is worth saving after all. Now that we know what it really stands for. Thanks Paul Brower!

(12-21-2020, 01:34 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 07:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 06:21 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 04:15 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I'm sure that he has assembled the best that identity politics has to offer these days.

"Identity politics."  Interesting phrase.  It seems to be one of those racist key phrases.  It tries to make a positive out of racism.  Traditionally, the best jobs are reserved for white males.  It means your selection pool is very limited.  The result doesn't look like America, but a much smaller part of America which tends to be elitist.

Racism is one of the issues of the crisis, any you seem to be on the wrong side.  A look at the cabinet, and the Republicans are definitely on the wrong side.  The key problems of the crisis tend to be solved rather brutally.  This one, less so.  The arrow of progress - democracy, equality, human rights - seems not to be pointing in your direction these days.  Ignore the arrow and you find yourself heading for ruin.

Identity Politics goes against equality by teaching/promoting inferiority and reliance upon the state. It's backwards and counter productive and impedes progress. The Democratic party is still racist and still uses racism as a political tool today. I'd suggest that you stop using it and playing with it like them before it blows up in your face.

The most blatant expressions of identity politics are those of racist, reactionary white people who have contempt for anyone not white, straight, Christian, and similarly reactionary. Trump exploited that in the extreme. It worked once. The Democratic Party is much closer to being a Big Tent than is the Greedy Old Profiteers Party.

Enough white people have no use for that garbage that Trump could not get re-elected.

(12-22-2020, 01:47 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-22-2020, 01:07 AM)Eric the Green Wrote: I agree, reds continuing to do stuff like this won't do them any good in the long run.

I disagree, reds doing what they're doing now will payoff for them in the long run. You forget, we see things the same way. We share the same goal. We're just on opposite sides and we view things from the opposite side of the spectrum. Dude, when marriages no longer work, you move to get out of a bad marriage. I wouldn't be surprised if Biden/Harris Presidency marks the end of the United States as we know it today.

(12-22-2020, 02:08 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-21-2020, 01:34 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: The most blatant expressions of identity politics are those of racist, reactionary white people who have contempt for anyone not white, straight, Christian, and similarly reactionary. Trump exploited that in the extreme. It worked once. The Democratic Party is much closer to being a Big Tent than is the Greedy Old Profiteers Party.

Enough white people have no use for that garbage that Trump could not get re-elected.

Trump didn't try to exploit it like you and the Democrats have been exploiting it that's for sure. It will be interesting to see where you rank as far as importance and how you are treated when identity politics take over the Democratic portion of the country.

(12-20-2020, 12:15 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 10:25 AM)David Horn Wrote: C-Xer and his allies believe -- deeply believe -- that white America is under siege, and being attacked from all sides.  They also believe they are the true Americans, and their opponents are <insert your degrading characterization of choice>. If you believe that, and you also believe your adversaries are anti-American, then it's easy to declare a no-holds-barred standard in opposing them -- and that's where we are.

What they believe - deeply believe - is in the division of wealth, in small government, that by hurting the working man and wealth going to the elites they remain 'superior' to minorities.  It would take a Hiroshima level event to make the examine the worth of this belief.  The deaths caused by COVID and the Black Lives Matter protests are not allowed to penetrate their thoughts.

And they are being attacked from all sides for these beliefs.  They believe in Identity Politics, that America exists for them alone, and all others are locked out.  For believing that, it is proper that they be attacked from all sides.

For all the good that that recognizing the problem does.

They can try to embrace racism, doublethink, elitism, cutting jobs, benefits, unions, concentration camps, authoritarianism all they like.  They can try to justify it by saying retaining their privileged position justifies hurting the things that got them that position.

Just so long as they recognized that there selfishness and greed is noted, and that no matter how they mischaracterize their opponents, the crisis problems will be countered.

Sure they can lie to themselves.  They can cluck like chickens.  It won't do them any good.

(12-22-2020, 01:21 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: You have to admit that white America is taking a bunch of crap/flack for a sin associated with the Democratic party. We aren't no holds barred yet. We need to see some more of the same to get to that point. Oh, the Democratic side is really good at showing us more of the same these days. We're watching and waiting dude. I know one thing, I wouldn't want to be you or a Democrat in office  when the war starts.

(12-22-2020, 01:21 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 10:25 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 07:59 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 07:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Identity Politics goes against equality by teaching/promoting inferiority and reliance upon the state. It's backwards and counter productive and impedes progress. The Democratic party is still racist and still uses racism as a political tool today. I'd suggest that you stop using it and playing with it like them before it blows up in your face.

It occurs to me that if the early part of the crisis, before the trigger and regeneracy, resembles the unravelling, then the younger generations have seen nothing but the unravelling.  The suggestion that the arrow of progress is decisive is most true of the crisis, and least true of the unraveling.  It this seems prudent to point out which side is which.

The side that tries to suppress the vote by frivolous lawsuits and throw away elections would be autocratic.  The side that tries to run get out the vote campaigns and wins the election just before the federal regeneracy is democratic.

The side that is endorsed by the Neo Nazi and KKK would be racist.  The side which is associated with the NAACP and NOW would be for equality.

The side which tears children from their parents and puts them in concentration camps is against human rights.  The side which respects all peoples rights would favor the arrow.

You can try doublespeak.  You can try to define the wrong end of the arrow as the pointy end.  It just makes you look ridiculous.

I’d suggest you quit the doublespeak before it blows up in your face.

C-Xer and his allies believe -- deeply believe -- that white America is under siege, and being attacked from all sides.  They also believe they are the true Americans, and their opponents are <insert your degrading characterization of choice>. If you believe that, and you also believe your adversaries are anti-American, then it's easy to declare a no-holds-barred standard in opposing them -- and that's where we are.

You have to admit that white America is taking a bunch of crap/flack for a sin associated with the Democratic party. We aren't no holds barred yet. We need to see some more of the same to get to that point. Oh, the Democratic side is really good at showing us more of the same these days. We're watching and waiting dude. I know one thing, I wouldn't want to be you or a Democrat in office  when the war starts.

(12-22-2020, 01:21 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 10:25 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 07:59 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-20-2020, 07:40 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: Identity Politics goes against equality by teaching/promoting inferiority and reliance upon the state. It's backwards and counter productive and impedes progress. The Democratic party is still racist and still uses racism as a political tool today. I'd suggest that you stop using it and playing with it like them before it blows up in your face.

It occurs to me that if the early part of the crisis, before the trigger and regeneracy, resembles the unravelling, then the younger generations have seen nothing but the unravelling.  The suggestion that the arrow of progress is decisive is most true of the crisis, and least true of the unraveling.  It this seems prudent to point out which side is which.

The side that tries to suppress the vote by frivolous lawsuits and throw away elections would be autocratic.  The side that tries to run get out the vote campaigns and wins the election just before the federal regeneracy is democratic.

The side that is endorsed by the Neo Nazi and KKK would be racist.  The side which is associated with the NAACP and NOW would be for equality.

The side which tears children from their parents and puts them in concentration camps is against human rights.  The side which respects all peoples rights would favor the arrow.

You can try doublespeak.  You can try to define the wrong end of the arrow as the pointy end.  It just makes you look ridiculous.

I’d suggest you quit the doublespeak before it blows up in your face.

C-Xer and his allies believe -- deeply believe -- that white America is under siege, and being attacked from all sides.  They also believe they are the true Americans, and their opponents are <insert your degrading characterization of choice>. If you believe that, and you also believe your adversaries are anti-American, then it's easy to declare a no-holds-barred standard in opposing them -- and that's where we are.

You have to admit that white America is taking a bunch of crap/flack for a sin associated with the Democratic party. We aren't no holds barred yet. We need to see some more of the same to get to that paoint. Oh, the Democratic side is really good at showing us more of the same these days. We're watching and waiting dude. I know one thing, I wouldn't want to be you or a Democrat in office  when the war starts.

(12-22-2020, 01:55 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: We're gonna tax ya, tax ya up the wall! We're gonna make ya pay! Take away yer business to stop climate change! We're gonna take away all yer guns! We're gonna open the borders! Lotsa new Democrats! We're gonna defund the police and let BLM burn down yer suburbs, and then move in! Lots of free stuff for the poor and the lazy! Quasi-socialism here we come!!! And if ya resist, we'll put yers all away and lock ya up!

(12-22-2020, 03:47 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-22-2020, 01:55 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: We're gonna tax ya, tax ya up the wall! We're gonna make ya pay! Take away yer business to stop climate change! We're gonna take away all yer guns! We're gonna open the borders! Lotsa new Democrats! We're gonna defund the police and let BLM burn down yer suburbs, and then move in! Lots of free stuff for the poor and the lazy! Quasi-socialism here we come!!! And if ya resist, we'll put yers all away and lock ya up!

(Quietly hands Eric his bag of meds.)

(12-23-2020, 12:42 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: It may be time to leave Classic Xer behind, and depart from this spam-infected site and move over to facebook, don't you think?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/396877864887524

(12-23-2020, 01:07 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(12-23-2020, 12:42 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: It may be time to leave Classic Xer behind, and depart from this spam-infected site and move over to facebook, don't you think?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/396877864887524

Could very well be.  There has been an exchange over on the Generational Dynamics thread about how to recover some sort of moderator.  I sent an email to the original creator, and have thus far received no response.  Facebook would be one possible place to set up again.

Not sure about individual posters or setting up a blue bias in who is accepted as members.  There is already a Facebook group that does that sort of thing, and as you and I were rejected by that philosophy, I am not impressed.  Intent debate between people who genuinely hold different philosophies seems to be the rival approach taken by this site.  I am more ready to continue that.  

Also not sure we should go with a invite only secret group approach, but a public group with name and descriptions that welcomes new people.

At any rate somebody would have to visit here often enough that an old intermittent user could find a pointer to the new group, not buried in spam.

(12-23-2020, 05:41 PM)Einzige Wrote: I wish Eric were something other than a petit-bourg environmentalist. Ted Kaczynski puts you to shame, lib (and I don't even agree with Teddy K.).

(12-23-2020, 09:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-23-2020, 05:41 PM)Einzige Wrote: I wish Eric were something other than a petit-bourg environmentalist. Ted Kaczynski puts you to shame, lib (and I don't even agree with Teddy K.).

I don't have the full physical or mental capacity to be a terrorist. I guess I'll leave that to you or Classic, if you really feel up to it.

(12-23-2020, 10:23 PM)Einzige Wrote:

(12-23-2020, 09:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(12-23-2020, 05:41 PM)Einzige Wrote: I wish Eric were something other than a petit-bourg environmentalist. Ted Kaczynski puts you to shame, lib (and I don't even agree with Teddy K.).

I don't have the full physical or mental capacity to be a terrorist. I guess I'll leave that to you or Classic, if you really feel up to it.

You don't need to be a terrorist. But you should put your money where your mouth is and look into adopting a genuine ecologistic lifestyle. There are schools, like Wild Root School, to help you.