(02-21-2021, 02:51 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 05:23 AM). pbrower2a Wrote:

(02-17-2021, 03:56 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-17-2021, 01:01 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(02-15-2021, 07:50 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: I learned that about you a long time ago dude. I told you a long time ago that if push ever came to shove that you were dead meat, Well, we are are almost there now that we're on a faster track so to speak. I figure your side (Democratic side) has about four years (maybe less) to mess up Washington DC beyond fixing at this point. After that, anything goes (no holds barred) pertaining to the Democratic side and winning the next war for American independence that follows is all that's going to matter at that point.

Your side will certainly have an advantage in the war if the Democrats nominate a candidate with a 3-17 horoscope score.

We already have the advantage in a war. Your current political advantage isn't going to matter in a war with America.

I don't see America on the brink of a civil war. Why do you, Classic X'er? Have you been reading The Turner Diaries again?

That doesn't surprise me. Ignorant and arrogant people don't see what's coming until it's to late. Why do I? I guess that's for me to know now and for you to find out as it happens. Eric and I are on the same page.

(02-20-2021, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I do see the Second as having room for a decent compromise if both sides were willing to compromise.  That won’t happen as long as the blues cling to what is left of the Jim Crow precedents, and the reds cling to the original meaning of the Second.  A new Second with a guaranteed individual right to keep and bear civilian arms with a clear definition of the difference between a civilian and military arm could be written, but it doesn’t have a chance as long as both sides hope for their extreme points of view.

(02-21-2021, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-20-2021, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I do see the Second as having room for a decent compromise if both sides were willing to compromise.  That won’t happen as long as the blues cling to what is left of the Jim Crow precedents, and the reds cling to the original meaning of the Second.  A new Second with a guaranteed individual right to keep and bear civilian arms with a clear definition of the difference between a civilian and military arm could be written, but it doesn’t have a chance as long as both sides hope for their extreme points of view.

Is there justification for a Constitutional right to bear arms today?  I fail to see it myself.  Nations that take this issue much more seriously than we do have much lower levels of firearm violence.  We don't need to have them banned to have them under reasonable control. We take automobiles much more seriously, and they are the backbone of our mobility. Firearms are of much less utility, yet we place them in a protected class.  It's nonsense on stilts.

(02-21-2021, 11:06 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-21-2021, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-20-2021, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I do see the Second as having room for a decent compromise if both sides were willing to compromise.  That won’t happen as long as the blues cling to what is left of the Jim Crow precedents, and the reds cling to the original meaning of the Second.  A new Second with a guaranteed individual right to keep and bear civilian arms with a clear definition of the difference between a civilian and military arm could be written, but it doesn’t have a chance as long as both sides hope for their extreme points of view.

Is there justification for a Constitutional right to bear arms today?  I fail to see it myself.  Nations that take this issue much more seriously than we do have much lower levels of firearm violence.  We don't need to have them banned to have them under reasonable control. We take automobiles much more seriously, and they are the backbone of our mobility. Firearms are of much less utility, yet we place them in a protected class.  It's nonsense on stilts.

Spoken like a true urbanite.  Locking onto the local culture.  Refusing to respect the other.  Stagnate if you will.

(02-21-2021, 08:44 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(02-20-2021, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I do see the Second as having room for a decent compromise if both sides were willing to compromise.  That won’t happen as long as the blues cling to what is left of the Jim Crow precedents, and the reds cling to the original meaning of the Second.  A new Second with a guaranteed individual right to keep and bear civilian arms with a clear definition of the difference between a civilian and military arm could be written, but it doesn’t have a chance as long as both sides hope for their extreme points of view.

Is there justification for a Constitutional right to bear arms today?  I fail to see it myself.  Nations that take this issue much more seriously than we do have much lower levels of firearm violence.  We don't need to have them banned to have them under reasonable control. We take automobiles much more seriously, and they are the backbone of our mobility. Firearms are of much less utility, yet we place them in a protected class.  It's nonsense on stilts.

(02-20-2021, 12:18 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(02-20-2021, 09:42 AM)David Horn Wrote: I see a put-up-or-shut-up effort building. It's obvious that we have a nascent anarchist movement in this country, that has no problem using firearms to make its point.  We also have a SCOTUS tilted as far right as the one from the late 19th century.  Someone will get a case in front of them that will force them to settle the issue of just how much the right to bear arms allows.  Depending on the result, it will be game-on, with the losing ideology turning up the heat on the issue.  My guess: the right will be expanded a lot, and the already growing majority opposing that POV will finally organize to change it.  Successfully?  TBD.

I suspect there is a put-up-or-shut-up effort pending, but I see it with a different twist.

The movement is not anarchist so much as racist.  The reds are not so much against rights or democracy as much as they are against minorities having rights and a minority dominant democracy.  They are used to being ever so privileged.

I agree SCOTUS is learning hard right, but do not think they will go as far as nullifying the Bill of Rights as the Jim Crow SCOTUS did.  I would not be surprised by a ‘standard model’ case ruling something totally unacceptable to the blues and the blues giving up on the Jim Crow presidents to negotiate a compromise.  Among other things, they could redefine who is in the militia then regulate the heck out of the militia.  In combination with the red belief in the original meaning of the Second, this would escalate things to a point that there might be real talk.

I do see the Second as having room for a decent compromise if both sides were willing to compromise.  That won’t happen as long as the blues cling to what is left of the Jim Crow precedents, and the reds cling to the original meaning of the Second.  A new Second with a guaranteed individual right to keep and bear civilian arms with a clear definition of the difference between a civilian and military arm could be written, but it doesn’t have a chance as long as both sides hope for their extreme points of view.

(02-19-2021, 08:00 PM)ve pbrower2a pid= Wrote:

(02-19-2021, 11:31 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-18-2021, 04:10 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(02-17-2021, 04:58 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(02-17-2021, 02:46 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: How bot-like of you!

What? You're a racist too. So, when did the Democratic switch from race not mattering to race mattering to everyone and everything and mattering more than anything else? I know some people make lots of money off third world politics these days. I mean, look at the Obama's, Biden's and Clinton's. Who would have ever thought that public service and political careers associated with the Democratic party could end up being so lucrative these days.

What have I said that indicates that I am a racist? Character is everything, and race is among the most superficial aspects of human existence, relevant only for genetic matches for medicines and transplants. On other matters, race is a construct that does more to befuddle us than to inform us. Unless you are discussing genetics and its consequences or the consequences of racism in economics and sociology you have no standing in discussing race.

I have plenty of bad things to say about white people of suspect character... but that is not anti-white racism. What 'racial' category do you think I am in?

You are the one who used an extremely misogynic word about the Speaker of the House. I'm not repeating a word more likely to be used in pornography or in vile curses. You have shown your gross contempt for a high-achieving woman. Women are capable of achieving anything that men can do except in some athletic activities.

You've never heard a woman call another woman a cunt. I've called a woman a cunt and Ive had women agree with me. I've also agreed with women who called another woman a cunt. I get the impression that you are not up to speed with the times.

I have assumed that you are a man, and not a woman. Someone who used to post here a lot, who claimed to be black (I' took his word for it) claimed that he could make a distinction between most black people and... people that he describes with a word that rhymes with "trigger". For some reason I cannot get away with using that word. On the other side, there are certain words that I do not use for describing certain white people even if I could get away with it. Those words hurt. OK, if I use the word bitch... she barks and has or originally has  the potential to give birth to puppies. I also know enough to not mess with the puppies should she see a need to protect them. 

OK, I do not use profanity here except in minced forms. I can usually think of alternatives, and it is a good habit to say "foul up" instead of "f--k up"

(02-21-2021, 04:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: We can say the word that Kinser said, we just can't use it as a general term and apply it to all black people these days. Foul up doesn't have the edge to get a point across and wake up and sink it into the head of some moron like fuck up does these days. Bad words only hurt if the words  aren't true. Calling me racist, fascist, fag, murderer, thief, misogynist or stupid doesn't hurt me because none of them apply but it could hurt whoever is doing  because it does antagonize, aggravate, anger and turn other people off. BTW, that's what you, the Left, the Democratic party, a small portion of the GOP and the Biden administration are doing right now when they should be focused on doing what's necessary to keep a country together right now vs moving back to business as usual (I mean opening borders for illegals during a national/global pandemic is really dumb). I think it's time to let go of Washington DC and leave it for the vultures to pick clean myself. I think America deserves better myself. As far as the GOP, the GOP has a choice to remain free or be controlled and picked on and dictated to by the Democrats for the rest of their lives. As I've mentioned before, I don't care about the future of the GOP establishment anymore than I care about the future of the Democratic party at this point and I think that holds true for the 70 some million who voted for Trump which amounts to about half the country today. Fuck them.

(02-21-2021, 04:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: We can say the word that Kinser said, we just can't use it as a general term and apply it to all black people these days.

Quote:Foul up doesn't have the edge to get a point across and wake up and sink it into the head of some moron like fuck up does these days.

Quote:Bad words only hurt if the words  aren't true.

Quote:Calling me racist, fascist, fag, murderer, thief, misogynist or stupid doesn't hurt me because none of them apply but it could hurt whoever is doing  because it does antagonize, aggravate, anger and turn other people off.

Quote:BTW, that's what you, the Left, the Democratic party, a small portion of the GOP and the Biden administration are doing right now when they should be focused on doing what's necessary to keep a country together right now vs moving back to business as usual (I mean opening borders for illegals during a national/global pandemic is really dumb).

Quote:I think it's time to let go of Washington DC and leave it for the vultures to pick clean myself.

Quote:I think America deserves better myself. As far as the GOP, the GOP has a choice to remain free or be controlled and picked on and dictated to by the Democrats for the rest of their lives.

Quote:As I've mentioned before, I don't care about the future of the GOP establishment anymore than I care about the future of the Democratic party at this point and I think that holds true for the 70 some million who voted for Trump which amounts to about half the country today. ---- them.

(02-22-2021, 04:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: With one of Engize’s recent posts, once again he brought everything back to capitol.  That got me thinking.  His perspective is that one thing, capitol, drives everything else.  This seems simplistic.  I came to wonder how many other one thing perspectives are there.  I came up with military balance of power, racism, industrial development, and my own triplet of turnings, civilizations and ages.  You can come up, perhaps, with ways of looking at history and human development as if that one thing is so prominent as to case shade on each of the others.

History is complex.  If you focus on one thing to the exclusion of all others you are ignoring much.  It doesn’t matter what the one thing is, you are limiting yourself.

(02-22-2021, 05:02 AM)Einzige Wrote: Capitol is more than money. It is a *social relation which vaporizes itself and reproduces itself*. Once this is understood, the role it plays in underlying all other social relationships becomes far clearer.

(02-22-2021, 05:02 AM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-22-2021, 04:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: With one of Engize’s recent posts, once again he brought everything back to capitol.  That got me thinking.  His perspective is that one thing, capitol, drives everything else.  This seems simplistic.  I came to wonder how many other one thing perspectives are there.  I came up with military balance of power, racism, industrial development, and my own triplet of turnings, civilizations and ages.  You can come up, perhaps, with ways of looking at history and human development as if that one thing is so prominent as to case shade on each of the others.

History is complex.  If you focus on one thing to the exclusion of all others you are ignoring much.  It doesn’t matter what the one thing is, you are limiting yourself.

Capitol is more than money. It is a *social relation which vaporizes itself and reproduces itself*. Once this is understood, the role it plays in underlying all other social relationships becomes far clearer.

Quote:More recent official rates have shown the North Korean won (as of 27 August 2020) to be ₩900.015 to the US dollar.[9] However, rampant inflation has been eroding the North Korean won value. A report by defectors from North Korea claimed that the black market rate was ₩570 to the Chinese yuan (or about ₩4,000 per U.S. dollar) in June 2009

As of 2018, most stores in North Korea take U.S. dollars, euros and Chinese yuan/renminbi. Since more renminbi and U.S. dollars are brought into the country than euros, change from transactions is primarily returned in renminbi or U.S. dollars.

(02-22-2021, 04:17 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: With one of Einzige's recent posts, once again he brought everything back to capitol.  That got me thinking.  His perspective is that one thing, capitol, drives everything else.  This seems simplistic.  I came to wonder how many other one thing perspectives are there.  I came up with military balance of power, racism, industrial development, and my own triplet of turnings, civilizations and ages.  You can come up, perhaps, with ways of looking at history and human development as if that one thing is so prominent as to case shade on each of the others.

History is complex.  If you focus on one thing to the exclusion of all others you are ignoring much.  It doesn’t matter what the one thing is, you are limiting yourself.

(02-22-2021, 09:10 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Discussing capitalism with Einzige on the partisan divide page. Does that mean Marxism is one side of the divide now? (I know the Republicans and Classic Xer say so.....)

(02-22-2021, 09:15 PM)Einzige Wrote:

(02-22-2021, 09:10 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: Discussing capitalism with Einzige on the partisan divide page. Does that mean Marxism is one side of the divide now? (I know the Republicans and Classic Xer say so.....)

Communism is - slowly - becoming a power unto itself again, against both capitalist liberalism and conservatism.

(02-21-2021, 05:26 PM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(02-21-2021, 04:12 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: We can say the word that Kinser said, we just can't use it as a general term and apply it to all black people these days.

See also some other ethnic and religious slurs.

Quote:Foul up doesn't have the edge to get a point across and wake up and sink it into the head of some moron like fuck up does these days.

Anyone who does not know what the words "foul up" mean who does not have the excuse of a lack of command of the English language probably is a moron.

Quote:Bad words only hurt if the words  aren't true.

No, they are vile and pointless except perhaps for reportage (as in the Klansman says that n---ers  drag down this glorious nation). If said in anger they are trouble, whether or not the fit the person. If someone tells me that he wishes that Hitler had put my grandparents in the gas chambers, does it make me feel any safer because I am not Jewish? If someone threatens to beat me for being gay, does it matter that I am not gay?  

Quote:Calling me racist, fascist, fag, murderer, thief, misogynist or stupid doesn't hurt me because none of them apply but it could hurt whoever is doing  because it does antagonize, aggravate, anger and turn other people off.

You have some fascist traits, and you definitely are a misogynist. You align yourself with people that I would not trust with my civil liberties. You did use a nasty word for a women.  

Quote:BTW, that's what you, the Left, the Democratic party, a small portion of the GOP and the Biden administration are doing right now when they should be focused on doing what's necessary to keep a country together right now vs moving back to business as usual (I mean opening borders for illegals during a national/global pandemic is really dumb).

Agribusiness needs those alien laborers to keep the harvest going and much of the food processed. 

Quote:I think it's time to let go of Washington DC and leave it for the vultures to pick clean myself.

Some other city would become the center of American government. That would be a huge improvement for the large city closest to the population center of the United States (St. Louis, Missouri).

Quote:I think America deserves better myself. As far as the GOP, the GOP has a choice to remain free or be controlled and picked on and dictated to by the Democrats for the rest of their lives.

Hogwash! The Republican Party needs to divest itself of the hucksters, extremists, authoritarians, conspiracy theorists, racists, religious bigots, and pushers of superstition lest it lose relevance.

Quote:As I've mentioned before, I don't care about the future of the GOP establishment anymore than I care about the future of the Democratic party at this point and I think that holds true for the 70 some million who voted for Trump which amounts to about half the country today. ---- them.

81 million popular votes and 306 electoral votes for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are the half that count this time.