(05-22-2021, 02:23 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-21-2021, 05:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: No, it is Trump supporters who have burned a bridge with Americans who prefer rationality, rule of law, wisdom, and intellectual integrity. Admit it: Donald Trump has huge gaps of character that I would not want in a subordinate. Unless I were in an industry such as entertainment or the arts in which character matters little, I would not hire him. To be a factory worker? Well, maybe that would break his narcissism, but I would rather let someone else do that. Fast food? He wouldn't last a week. Retailing? The question is whether he would insult a customer or boss or have a blow-up. Skilled trade? Do you think that his type willingly gets his hands dirty? Teaching or library work? Aside from having little desirable learning and having himself as the focus of the classroom or library, he'd be a disaster. Accounting? Too creative, and not in the positive sense. Writing, editing, or journalism? Do you see coherent communication? Police officer? He would be the worst sort, a brutal cop with sloppy paper work. 

Most people who do real work have their narcissism broken, or they learn the hard way through vocational failures. In an economy in which most people are subordinate to some boss, Trump is the sort of person who tries to order people about before he has earned the position in which to do so.  Most people chafe in jobs too small for their spirits, as someone said to Studs Terkel in Working.  You might try reading that some day to understand what is demanded of people from domestic servants to pro athletes and elected officials or judges. 

True, Joe Biden was  the most viable candidate of all the Democratic candidates at the time. I mean, he was Obama's ( the greatest or at least the most highly anticipated Democratic president we've seen since John F. Kennedy) right hand man for eight years for God's sake. Now, we've got old Biden acting like he's  Bernie in his stead. I wonder how many racist whites supported Biden/Bernie ( a fellow racist white who had represented the racist whites on the Democratic side for many years) in the last election. Bob says the racist whites switched parties. I think they stayed and continued voting to protect paychecks and benefits and the institutions associated with the Democratic party. Bob forgets that Biden and Bird ( the old clansman) served together and were close friends and political allies.

As far as I can see, the white tribe is still the most dominant of the tribes associated with the DNC today. I have a question. Are you able to adapt and adjust to living in an environment where the black tribe or any minority tribe has the right to do or say whatever they want with you. Personally speaking, I do not like the leadership of the white tribe on the Democratic side and I could care less about what eventually happens to them during the reckoning/resolution that's coming. Acerima is on a collision coarse with America and I don't see Liberal Acerima coming out of it in one piece. So, I suggest that you prepare for major impacts.

As I've told Dave and shown others, I'm very similar to them in their way of thinking and my willing to slide the rule of law and morality to the side for the right cause as well. The only difference is, I'm more principled and I'm on the opposite side as them. Plus,  I'm willing to wait (allow more time for the better people stuck among the tribes to move out of harms way and get out of dodge before its to late) for the white leadership cross the line that it should know better than to cross at this point in their lives.

(05-22-2021, 11:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(05-22-2021, 02:23 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(05-21-2021, 05:05 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: No, it is Trump supporters who have burned a bridge with Americans who prefer rationality, rule of law, wisdom, and intellectual integrity. Admit it: Donald Trump has huge gaps of character that I would not want in a subordinate. Unless I were in an industry such as entertainment or the arts in which character matters little, I would not hire him. To be a factory worker? Well, maybe that would break his narcissism, but I would rather let someone else do that. Fast food? He wouldn't last a week. Retailing? The question is whether he would insult a customer or boss or have a blow-up. Skilled trade? Do you think that his type willingly gets his hands dirty? Teaching or library work? Aside from having little desirable learning and having himself as the focus of the classroom or library, he'd be a disaster. Accounting? Too creative, and not in the positive sense. Writing, editing, or journalism? Do you see coherent communication? Police officer? He would be the worst sort, a brutal cop with sloppy paper work. 

Most people who do real work have their narcissism broken, or they learn the hard way through vocational failures. In an economy in which most people are subordinate to some boss, Trump is the sort of person who tries to order people about before he has earned the position in which to do so.  Most people chafe in jobs too small for their spirits, as someone said to Studs Terkel in Working.  You might try reading that some day to understand what is demanded of people from domestic servants to pro athletes and elected officials or judges. 

True, Joe Biden was  the most viable candidate of all the Democratic candidates at the time. I mean, he was Obama's ( the greatest or at least the most highly anticipated Democratic president we've seen since John F. Kennedy) right hand man for eight years for God's sake. Now, we've got old Biden acting like he's  Bernie in his stead. I wonder how many racist whites supported Biden/Bernie ( a fellow racist white who had represented the racist whites on the Democratic side for many years) in the last election. Bob says the racist whites switched parties. I think they stayed and continued voting to protect paychecks and benefits and the institutions associated with the Democratic party. Bob forgets that Biden and Bird ( the old clansman) served together and were close friends and political allies.

As far as I can see, the white tribe is still the most dominant of the tribes associated with the DNC today. I have a question. Are you able to adapt and adjust to living in an environment where the black tribe or any minority tribe has the right to do or say whatever they want with you. Personally speaking, I do not like the leadership of the white tribe on the Democratic side and I could care less about what eventually happens to them during the reckoning/resolution that's coming. Acerima is on a collision coarse with America and I don't see Liberal Acerima coming out of it in one piece. So, I suggest that you prepare for major impacts.

As I've told Dave and shown others, I'm very similar to them in their way of thinking and my willing to slide the rule of law and morality to the side for the right cause as well. The only difference is, I'm more principled and I'm on the opposite side as them. Plus,  I'm willing to wait (allow more time for the better people stuck among the tribes to move out of harms way and get out of dodge before its to late) for the white leadership cross the line that it should know better than to cross at this point in their lives.

Your side has an advantage in that you control more land, although we have more people on our side than you do. A century ago, the question became whether money or people was to be the priority. The money folks moved into the Republican Party, and the people folks became Democrats. In the 1920s, the Republicans solidified their hold on the fundamentalist puritans while the Democrats corralled the "wets." Wets and labor became the heart of the Democratic Party, and it started to become more urban.

Quote:Meanwhile as the Democrats took power and pushed quasi-socialism into being under FDR, the people vs. money dichotomy solidifed and the blacks (then called Negroes) began to migrate to the Democrats. As civil rights got pushed harder in the 1960s, southern Democrats and some other whites moved into the Republican Party, and blacks solidified their presence in the Democratic Party, while other growing ethic and gender groups magnified their presence and power there in the following years. The Great Society of 1964-66 succeeded the New Deal and supported these groups, and aroused further opposition to paying taxes to support the poor and the blacks. The cultural revolution expanded into feminism, the hippies, the gays, gun control advocates aroused by the assassinations, the peaceniks opposed to LBJ's war, ecology proponents, and so on, and became Democrats; and so the opponents to civil rights (the racists) joined with the new religious right, the neo-con superpatriots, the anti-tax/anti-regulation corporate neo-liberals and the gun nuts to solidify their hold on the Republican Party. The Goldwater campaign, powerfully assisted at the last minute by Ronald Reagan, first attained this new "white backlash" cultural identity for the Republicans in 1964 and won five former-Democratic southern states, and it solidified in the years since.

Quote:Trump only trumpeted it more loudly, and brought back the "America First" ideology from the opponents of US entry into world war two circa 1940, and also the older Republican policy of high tariffs. He also expanded the racist white-identity appeal and brought it out of the closet, especially with his hate campaign against Hispanics and Muslims, and accelerated anti-tax/anti-regulation neo-liberalism and environmental/climate destruction.

Quote:If Biden has a good deal of success, and he seems off to a good start, some of the furor on the right could dissipate and the left would thus win the coming battle in our cold civil war. Our side will have the majority, accelerated by millennials and Gen Z and the feared immigrants. But the constitution has given the right-wing a growing, built-in advantage in the supreme court, the senate, the electoral college and the 2nd Amendment, and being without principle and now also dedicated to false conspiracy theories, the right will carry out attempts to suppress anyone who is not rich and white from voting. Rural portions could secede from blue states and add a little bit more to their electoral vote and some extra congressional seats, although this would probably not be approved unless the Republicans have already won back Congress. Greater Idaho (aka the State of Jefferson) is already talked about. It may be harder for blue cities to secede from red states. So although the left can fight back if they win the senate in 2022 by giving representation to DC and Puerto Rico, the right-wing side does have some advantages, even though history and the people are not on their side.

Quote:Total secession and splitting the country may be the only solution if the left cannot attain a clear victory. I would say, we will not have the usual kind of Prophet Generation if it does not. What kind of generation they would be is open to question. But Prophets are supposed to be victory children, and victory has always meant that the progressive side won.

(05-23-2021, 09:29 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Some countries neatly divide themselves between rural and urban areas in what are the sub-national divisions. To do so in America would require splitting states into their rural and urban areas. Yes, I can imagine people in rural areas to want to distance themselves from the giant cities through some sort of secession... but I can imagine cities in some "Red" states seceding, too. Example: Nashville is much more liberal and sophisticated than the rest of Tennessee.

(05-23-2021, 08:57 PM)pbrower2a Wrote: Next was the turn of William Clay Ford. who asked "Will the Detroit Lions ever make the Super Bowl?"

The Oldest of the Holy Trinity answered, "Yes -- but not in My Lifetime!!"

(05-23-2021, 10:59 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-23-2021, 09:29 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Some countries neatly divide themselves between rural and urban areas in what are the sub-national divisions. To do so in America would require splitting states into their rural and urban areas. Yes, I can imagine people in rural areas to want to distance themselves from the giant cities through some sort of secession... but I can imagine cities in some "Red" states seceding, too. Example: Nashville is much more liberal and sophisticated than the rest of Tennessee.

Or, we could revert to federalism.  If urban areas resort to more cooperation and specialization to handle their larger problems, let these problems be addressed by urban areas.  The federal government could deal with things like a common defense which effect everybody.

Quote:But the federal government has been into one size fits all national solutions, often to big for the rural population, to small for the urban.  Federalism seems a more constructive perspective than splitting the states.

(05-22-2021, 06:38 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(05-22-2021, 03:59 AM)Classic-Xer Wrote: What obvious crimes? I'm not aware of any obvious crimes or any major possibilities either.

Your habit of only reading versions of reality favorable to your worldview will result in your being surprised in the near future.

(05-22-2021, 11:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If Biden has a good deal of success, and he seems off to a good start, some of the furor on the right could dissipate and the left would thus win the coming battle in our cold civil war. Our side will have the majority, accelerated by millennials and Gen Z and the feared immigrants. But the constitution has given the right-wing a growing, built-in advantage in the supreme court, the senate, the electoral college and the 2nd Amendment, and being without principle and now also dedicated to false conspiracy theories, the right will carry out attempts to suppress anyone who is not rich and white from voting. Rural portions could secede from blue states and add a little bit more to their electoral vote and some extra congressional seats, although this would probably not be approved unless the Republicans have already won back Congress. Greater Idaho (aka the State of Jefferson) is already talked about. It may be harder for blue cities to secede from red states. So although the left can fight back if they win the senate in 2022 by giving representation to DC and Puerto Rico, the right-wing side does have some advantages, even though history and the people are not on their side.

Total secession and splitting the country may be the only solution if the left cannot attain a clear victory. I would say, we will not have the usual kind of Prophet Generation if it does not. What kind of generation they would be is open to question. But Prophets are supposed to be victory children, and victory has always meant that the progressive side won.

(05-24-2021, 10:02 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-22-2021, 11:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If Biden has a good deal of success, and he seems off to a good start, some of the furor on the right could dissipate and the left would thus win the coming battle in our cold civil war. Our side will have the majority, accelerated by millennials and Gen Z and the feared immigrants. But the constitution has given the right-wing a growing, built-in advantage in the supreme court, the senate, the electoral college and the 2nd Amendment, and being without principle and now also dedicated to false conspiracy theories, the right will carry out attempts to suppress anyone who is not rich and white from voting. Rural portions could secede from blue states and add a little bit more to their electoral vote and some extra congressional seats, although this would probably not be approved unless the Republicans have already won back Congress. Greater Idaho (aka the State of Jefferson) is already talked about. It may be harder for blue cities to secede from red states. So although the left can fight back if they win the senate in 2022 by giving representation to DC and Puerto Rico, the right-wing side does have some advantages, even though history and the people are not on their side.

Total secession and splitting the country may be the only solution if the left cannot attain a clear victory. I would say, we will not have the usual kind of Prophet Generation if it does not. What kind of generation they would be is open to question. But Prophets are supposed to be victory children, and victory has always meant that the progressive side won.

Sadly, dividing the country into Blue and Red will be impossible, for all practical purposes.   A better tactic would be to Blue-up parts of Red America.  Texas is a real possibility, especially now that the Texas legislature and governor stiffed Harris County out of more-than-due Hurricane Harvey relief funds.  Harris County has 5 Million residents and 9 Congressional seats.  Add Dallas but not Fort Worth, Austin and San Antonio and it won't take much to swing this state Blue.  When that happens, the Electoral College will be tilted left for the first time in decades, and killing it may finally be an option. I'm still unclear about fixing the Senate.

From there, negotiate from strength, not weakness.

(05-24-2021, 09:56 PM)Einzige Wrote: Hahaha

Biden just said he wasn't going to cancel student loan debt.

At all.

What a worthless Reaganoid he is.

(05-24-2021, 04:33 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(05-24-2021, 10:02 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-22-2021, 11:14 PM)Eric the Green Wrote: If Biden has a good deal of success, and he seems off to a good start, some of the furor on the right could dissipate and the left would thus win the coming battle in our cold civil war. Our side will have the majority, accelerated by millennials and Gen Z and the feared immigrants. But the constitution has given the right-wing a growing, built-in advantage in the supreme court, the senate, the electoral college and the 2nd Amendment, and being without principle and now also dedicated to false conspiracy theories, the right will carry out attempts to suppress anyone who is not rich and white from voting. Rural portions could secede from blue states and add a little bit more to their electoral vote and some extra congressional seats, although this would probably not be approved unless the Republicans have already won back Congress. Greater Idaho (aka the State of Jefferson) is already talked about. It may be harder for blue cities to secede from red states. So although the left can fight back if they win the senate in 2022 by giving representation to DC and Puerto Rico, the right-wing side does have some advantages, even though history and the people are not on their side.

Total secession and splitting the country may be the only solution if the left cannot attain a clear victory. I would say, we will not have the usual kind of Prophet Generation if it does not. What kind of generation they would be is open to question. But Prophets are supposed to be victory children, and victory has always meant that the progressive side won.

Sadly, dividing the country into Blue and Red will be impossible, for all practical purposes.   A better tactic would be to Blue-up parts of Red America.  Texas is a real possibility, especially now that the Texas legislature and governor stiffed Harris County out of more-than-due Hurricane Harvey relief funds.  Harris County has 5 Million residents and 9 Congressional seats.  Add Dallas but not Fort Worth, Austin and San Antonio and it won't take much to swing this state Blue.  When that happens, the Electoral College will be tilted left for the first time in decades, and killing it may finally be an option. I'm still unclear about fixing the Senate.

From there, negotiate from strength, not weakness.

I hope so. Also, El Paso! Texas is taking a long time though. The Trump vote only decreased from 9% to 6%. It will depend on Biden running again, and a weak Republican candidate in 2024, for Texas to leap blue for the first time since Carter.

If the Senate gets a few more real Democrats, such as in WI and PA, in 2022, and manages to keep Warnock and Kelly, killing the filibuster in 2023 will be even easier than killing the electoral college. Most Senate Democrats and their leadership favor this. If the filibuster is killed or even weakened, then the option of adding seats for DC and PR could cement the Democratic majority. Beto doesn't seem up to much. Perhaps a rematch with Cruz may be in the offing in 2024.

(05-25-2021, 09:34 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-24-2021, 09:56 PM)Einzige Wrote: Hahaha

Biden just said he wasn't going to cancel student loan debt.

At all.

What a worthless Reaganoid he is.

To cancel it, the debt needs to be absorbed by the government.  To do that, a spending bill needs to be created, passed by both houses and signed by the President (not likely in this environment) or the funding needs to be transferred from another source.  Any suggestions that would pass muster (i.e. the transfers need to be legal).

(05-25-2021, 11:12 AM)Einzige Wrote: Lol. Yes, the Democrats don't serve Capital at all. They really are the Marxist proletarian Party the Republicans accuse them of being.

Dumkopf.

(05-25-2021, 10:53 AM)Einzige Wrote:

(05-25-2021, 09:34 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-24-2021, 09:56 PM)Einzige Wrote: Hahaha

Biden just said he wasn't going to cancel student loan debt.

At all.

What a worthless Reaganoid he is.

To cancel it, the debt needs to be absorbed by the government.  To do that, a spending bill needs to be created, passed by both houses and signed by the President (not likely in this environment) or the funding needs to be transferred from another source.  Any suggestions that would pass muster (i.e. the transfers need to be legal).

But I thought the Democrats were the Party Of The People? Do they not control the government? Is Biden not FDR reincarnate indeed? Is he not our Grey Champion?

(05-25-2021, 09:34 AM)David Horn Wrote:

(05-24-2021, 09:56 PM)Einzige Wrote: Hahaha

Biden just said he wasn't going to cancel student loan debt.

At all.

What a worthless Reaganoid he is.

To cancel it, the debt needs to be absorbed by the government.  To do that, a spending bill needs to be created, passed by both houses and signed by the President (not likely in this environment) or the funding needs to be transferred from another source.  Any suggestions that would pass muster (i.e. the transfers need to be legal).

(05-25-2021, 11:38 AM)Einzige Wrote: It's sarcasm, brain genius. The Democrats have never been the Party of the People. As evinced by Biden renewing on his plans to cancel student loans. It's a classic bourgeois bait and switch.