(08-12-2021, 11:20 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 12:31 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Wrong; that insurrection bodes ill for the survival of American democracy. Elections have meaning, lest there be no democracy. Heck, Syria has elections. In essence, democracy depends upon people in power being willing to lose elections when they fail or go stale. That insurrection will be remembered much like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor Day. 

What part of "Donald Trump was a catastrophic failure as President" do you not understand? Donald Trump sought to nullify an election that he lost.  That, all too often, is how democracies become dictatorships. The other method is rigged elections. 

Donald Trump showed more dictatorial and despotic traits than any other President in American history. Under him formed a secret police responsible to nobody but himself to harass dissidents. What he did wrong in the Dictator's Playbook was to try to purge his political allies of backsliders before making the opposition irrelevant. Maybe he wouldn't have made that mistake the next time. Thank God, and 306 electoral votes that went to Joe Biden, that he had gotten no second chance. 

Donald Trump still has a nasty personality cult behind him. If it loses him, then it will find someone else -- maybe someone who knows enough to start assassinating opponents in elected office, media, academia, labor unions, etc.  

PB, the only people who would view Jan 6 as being an event equal to 9/11 or Pearl Harbor would be Libtards like yourself or someone as fucked up as a Libtard or someone as fucked in the head as a Libtard at this point. I must admit at times, you guys do remind me of Tokyo Rose and what she did for a living at the time. Anyhow, while you and the boys were here spreading propaganda, stroking each others egos, patting each other on the back  and telling each other how smart/great you are and how dumb we are and so forth. I've been busy working long hours and earning thousands of dollars and supporting an entire family. Like I said, America knows where it was at while Trump was in office and America will see where its at after 4 years with Gumby in office. Personally speaking, I think Washington DC is pretty much FUBAR at this point.

(08-12-2021, 08:17 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-11-2021, 10:20 PM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I'd say a lot of people care that a bunch of racist Trump supporters tried to end democracy.  I find it hard to believe you really confuse BLM and Antifa for a bunch of racist Trump supporters.  For me, the question is how many red folk with kill themselves by Covid.  Originally, Trump thought that if he could keep the economy going, he would win.  Therefore, he put the economy ahead of saving lives.  I suspect that this turned off enough people that he lost.  Still, he has left his people believing one should not fight Covid.  This is at a time when the vaccines make fighting Covid possible and would allow the restrictions that hurt the economy to be dropped.  Still, by this time, not fighting Covid has become an Acireman thing.  They can't help themselves from killing each other.

The Big Lie is clearly a big lie say the courts.  The lawyers who supported the Big Lie are falling like flies.  Voting against popular bills isn't going to make the Reds more popular.  Even McConnell voted with the Democrats on the bipartisan infrastructure bill.  The Mississippi hospital system is among those collapsing while their governor went on a political junket.

And you still don't seem to have a clue...

It's pretty obvious that the blue tribers, the Democratic party and a relatively small group of establishment Republicans aka the GOP still seem to care about it but that's about it these days. As far as the outcome, the outcome has already been determined and Biden is the President of the United States, No one else cares about it and most have pretty moved with their lives and are more focused on relevant issues pertaining to their lives and their future as Americans.
   
I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell voted for Biden. McConnell is about all that's left of the GOP establishment. So, the idea of him going along with the Democratic establishment and prop up Biden a bit to save face doesn't surprise me either. So, how many years have McConnell and Biden been doing business while serving together in Washington DC? I'm pretty sure fortunes were made by both of them.

So, where did the recent Delta variant come from? Do you think the hundreds of thousands (possibly a million??) who have entered the country illegally or were allowed to enter it for some reason that may or may not be true could have anything to do with the current COVID related crisis? Was it just a coincidence or directly related to it?

(08-12-2021, 11:20 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 12:31 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Wrong; that insurrection bodes ill for the survival of American democracy. Elections have meaning, lest there be no democracy. Heck, Syria has elections. In essence, democracy depends upon people in power being willing to lose elections when they fail or go stale. That insurrection will be remembered much like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor Day. 

What part of "Donald Trump was a catastrophic failure as President" do you not understand? Donald Trump sought to nullify an election that he lost.  That, all too often, is how democracies become dictatorships. The other method is rigged elections. 

Donald Trump showed more dictatorial and despotic traits than any other President in American history. Under him formed a secret police responsible to nobody but himself to harass dissidents. What he did wrong in the Dictator's Playbook was to try to purge his political allies of backsliders before making the opposition irrelevant. Maybe he wouldn't have made that mistake the next time. Thank God, and 306 electoral votes that went to Joe Biden, that he had gotten no second chance. 

Donald Trump still has a nasty personality cult behind him. If it loses him, then it will find someone else -- maybe someone who knows enough to start assassinating opponents in elected office, media, academia, labor unions, etc.  

PB, the only people who would view Jan 6 as being an event equal to 9/11 or Pearl Harbor would be Libtards  like yourself or someone [offensive language redacted] at this point.

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I must admit at times, you guys do remind me of Tokyo Rose and what she did for a living at the time.

Quote: Anyhow, while you and the boys were here spreading propaganda, stroking each others egos, patting each other on the back  and telling each other how smart/great you are and how dumb we are and so forth. I've been busy working long hours and earning thousands of dollars and supporting an entire family. Like I said, America knows where it was at while Trump was in office and America will see where its  at after 4 years with Gumby in office. Personally speaking, I think Washington DC is pretty much FUBAR at this point.

(08-13-2021, 11:56 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: I suppose the difference is that the Biden administration is attempting to address the major problems facing the country today, while Trump supposed a lot of the problems.  Covid, racism, the environment, infrastructure, maybe they will get to the division of wealth, are problems that should be addressed.  If your Acirema prefers the problems, you deserve what is coming.

(08-14-2021, 02:40 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: 'Acirema' would just be America spelled backwards.  Since Classic uses America, I needed to find a way to clearly talk about his imaginary following.  The reds have problems with aligning with the elites and the racists, but those aren't Classic's hang ups, so I am not sure how else to refer to his delusions?  They are distinct enough from the red that I have to answer the two separately.

(08-14-2021, 03:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 02:40 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: 'Acirema' would just be America spelled backwards.  Since Classic uses America, I needed to find a way to clearly talk about his imaginary following.  The reds have problems with aligning with the elites and the racists, but those aren't Classic's hang ups, so I am not sure how else to refer to his delusions?  They are distinct enough from the red that I have to answer the two separately.

Thanks for clarifying. Myself, I don't notice that the reds have much difficulty aligning with the elites and the racists. It seems in fact like they are their two biggest priorities. I can't believe they don't know who they are voting for. Classic Xer for example is a huge fan of trickle-down economics. He knows that he supports the right of the big elite businessmen to be free of government regulation and taxes-- which are the way we liberals keep these elites in bounds-- and he thinks that this trickle-down, anti-welfare policy will help him in his business as a boss also.

(08-13-2021, 09:11 AM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 11:20 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-12-2021, 12:31 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: Wrong; that insurrection bodes ill for the survival of American democracy. Elections have meaning, lest there be no democracy. Heck, Syria has elections. In essence, democracy depends upon people in power being willing to lose elections when they fail or go stale. That insurrection will be remembered much like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor Day. 

What part of "Donald Trump was a catastrophic failure as President" do you not understand? Donald Trump sought to nullify an election that he lost.  That, all too often, is how democracies become dictatorships. The other method is rigged elections. 

Donald Trump showed more dictatorial and despotic traits than any other President in American history. Under him formed a secret police responsible to nobody but himself to harass dissidents. What he did wrong in the Dictator's Playbook was to try to purge his political allies of backsliders before making the opposition irrelevant. Maybe he wouldn't have made that mistake the next time. Thank God, and 306 electoral votes that went to Joe Biden, that he had gotten no second chance. 

Donald Trump still has a nasty personality cult behind him. If it loses him, then it will find someone else -- maybe someone who knows enough to start assassinating opponents in elected office, media, academia, labor unions, etc.  

PB, the only people who would view Jan 6 as being an event equal to 9/11 or Pearl Harbor would be Libtards like yourself or someone as fucked up as a Libtard or someone as fucked in the head as a Libtard at this point. I must admit at times, you guys do remind me of Tokyo Rose and what she did for a living at the time. Anyhow, while you and the boys were here spreading propaganda, stroking each others egos, patting each other on the back  and telling each other how smart/great you are and how dumb we are and so forth. I've been busy working long hours and earning thousands of dollars and supporting an entire family. Like I said, America knows where it was at while Trump was in office and America will see where its at after 4 years with Gumby in office. Personally speaking, I think Washington DC is pretty much FUBAR at this point.

From my astrology point of view, though, unless it is proved that the Taliban organized its victorious alliance and somehow launched its current campaign in January 2021, the violent war or outbreak I long-ago predicted for early that month due to a stationary Mars in disharmonious aspect to Saturn a few weeks prior, was indeed the January 6th attack. That was the violent event that I predicted, and the signs for DC then were very clear. 

And it is quite clear too that 9-11 and Pearl Harbor both happened in the weeks following a very-similar stationary Mars, and in the case of 9-11 this stationary Mars also happened soon after a hard aspect to Saturn too. And in the case of Pearl Harbor, this stationary Mars was in the same sign, aggressive Aries, as it was in the weeks before and during the January 6th attack. So the signs say Jan 6 was indeed "an event equal to 9/11 or Pearl Harbor" and was perhaps the first outbreak or sign of a coming civil war. I even predicted it would be called such. So that's pretty big stuff. And you yourself have agreed with me on the possibility of this civil war, although we'd be on opposing sides of it. So really, I don't know what your complaint would be against this comparison.

Quoting you from a reply to me above, "any how, from one radical to another, the day the gloves come off, we'll get to see who was right and who was wrong and who ends up with the shitty end of the stick so to speak." So, on Jan.6 the gloves came off for the first time. So yeah, we'll see.

(08-15-2021, 03:56 AM)pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 03:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 02:40 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: 'Acirema' would just be America spelled backwards.  Since Classic uses America, I needed to find a way to clearly talk about his imaginary following.  The reds have problems with aligning with the elites and the racists, but those aren't Classic's hang ups, so I am not sure how else to refer to his delusions?  They are distinct enough from the red that I have to answer the two separately.

Thanks for clarifying. Myself, I don't notice that the reds have much difficulty aligning with the elites and the racists. It seems in fact like they are their two biggest priorities. I can't believe they don't know who they are voting for. Classic Xer for example is a huge fan of trickle-down economics. He knows that he supports the right of the big elite businessmen to be free of government regulation and taxes-- which are the way we liberals keep these elites in bounds-- and he thinks that this trickle-down, anti-welfare policy will help him in his business as a boss also.

The irony is that trickle-down economics might even be bad for his business. Air conditioning is still a luxury in the Twin Cities area as it isn't even so close as Kansas City or St. Louis... maybe even Des Moines. The neoliberal belief in free enterprise in the sense of enterprise having the ability to do whatever it wishes to the Common Man is consistent with freedom for elites and tyranny for the rest. Such is nothing good, and it has been done often. It has never worked well for the Common Man.  It has ensured, though, that some impressive castles and palaces be built!

(08-14-2021, 09:50 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: My suspicion: Classic X'er has some problem with the ambiguity of his social class, as his work pays well but is still blue-collar. Many blue-collar workers with high pay are unionized employees and recognize that their stake in the consumer society requires membership in a trade union as a gate-keeper for the most competent of blue-collar workers. But he is an entrepreneur, so he does not need a union. He assumes that well-off white-collar workers and of course entrepreneurs are political reactionaries (which is not so reliable as it used to be; common wisdom on demographics is often obsolete).

He would like to believe that he is middle-class, but he is really upper-working-class (skilled labor). If income is not a distinction between the middle class and skilled workers, then culture is. With culture comes spending patterns, and such may be the difference between a motorcycle and a sailboat or between an RV and foreign travel. It could be the difference between hearing the Vienna Philharmonic live and being a high-roller in "Vegas".

Class identity is never a source of virtue. European aristocrats were often the earliest backers of fascism; big landowners of the eastern part of Weimar Germany were among the first to support Hitler in efforts to suppress farm laborers; then came aristocrats who found him amenable to destroying trade unions. A disproportionate share of Vichy collaborators were aristocrats. The most vicious antisemites in Hungary were the rural magnates; many of the worst of the Nazi-like Arrow Cross (whose short period of rule in Hungary coincided with the Holocaust in Hungary) were titled nobility. 

Class identity may be the distinction between dignity and degradation, especially in a plutocratic order... and as we have found in the neoliberal era, the greater that class identity determines who kicks whom, the nastier that system becomes. It is generally safest that the class system be one of culture, education, and talent than of either ownership of assets or the wielding of bureaucratic power -- especially if one uses economic or bureaucratic power to abuse "lessers".

(08-14-2021, 02:40 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: 'Acirema' would just be America spelled backwards.  Since Classic uses America, I needed to find a way to clearly talk about his imaginary following.  The reds have problems with aligning with the elites and the racists, but those aren't Classic's hang ups, so I am not sure how else to refer to his delusions?  They are distinct enough from the red that I have to answer the two separately.

(08-14-2021, 02:40 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: 'Acirema' would just be America spelled backwards.  Since Classic uses America, I needed to find a way to clearly talk about his imaginary following.  The reds have problems with aligning with the elites and the racists, but those aren't Classic's hang ups, so I am not sure how else to refer to his delusions?  They are distinct enough from the red that I have to answer the two separately.

(08-15-2021, 10:01 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 09:50 AM)pbrower2a Wrote: My suspicion: Classic X'er has some problem with the ambiguity of his social class, as his work pays well but is still blue-collar. Many blue-collar workers with high pay are unionized employees and recognize that their stake in the consumer society requires membership in a trade union as a gate-keeper for the most competent of blue-collar workers. But he is an entrepreneur, so he does not need a union. He assumes that well-off white-collar workers and of course entrepreneurs are political reactionaries (which is not so reliable as it used to be; common wisdom on demographics is often obsolete).

He would like to believe that he is middle-class, but he is really upper-working-class (skilled labor). If income is not a distinction between the middle class and skilled workers, then culture is. With culture comes spending patterns, and such may be the difference between a motorcycle and a sailboat or between an RV and foreign travel. It could be the difference between hearing the Vienna Philharmonic live and being a high-roller in "Vegas".

Class identity is never a source of virtue. European aristocrats were often the earliest backers of fascism; big landowners of the eastern part of Weimar Germany were among the first to support Hitler in efforts to suppress farm laborers; then came aristocrats who found him amenable to destroying trade unions. A disproportionate share of Vichy collaborators were aristocrats. The most vicious antisemites in Hungary were the rural magnates; many of the worst of the Nazi-like Arrow Cross (whose short period of rule in Hungary coincided with the Holocaust in Hungary) were titled nobility. 

Class identity may be the distinction between dignity and degradation, especially in a plutocratic order... and as we have found in the neoliberal era, the greater that class identity determines who kicks whom, the nastier that system becomes. It is generally safest that the class system be one of culture, education, and talent than of either ownership of assets or the wielding of bureaucratic power -- especially if one uses economic or bureaucratic power to abuse "lessers".

I'm upper middle class but I'm directly associated with the middle class. Basically, I'm an upper middle class who wasn't born with a silver spoon so to speak. You'll see the difference between us and the pesky silver spoons on the Democratic side.

(08-15-2021, 11:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: How many elites and racist or Marxist groups does the Democratic party have you aligned with today? Think about it. I know that's tough for an older man in your condition to do but you really should try to think about it before it's to late and you find yourself at war with most of America.

(08-15-2021, 10:30 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 02:40 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: 'Acirema' would just be America spelled backwards.  Since Classic uses America, I needed to find a way to clearly talk about his imaginary following.  The reds have problems with aligning with the elites and the racists, but those aren't Classic's hang ups, so I am not sure how else to refer to his delusions?  They are distinct enough from the red that I have to answer the two separately.

I assume that you haven't figured out that America doesn't follow. OK, now that America more or less has "Acirema" where it wants it, positioned out on a limb of a dying tree like it is and all of you are today. Let see, America can decide to wiggle or shake the limb or say (expletive deleted) it and prune it or bull doze the tree so to speak. I already told you how this is going to end. It's going to end with a group of Democratic Libtard's looking around at themselves  without a country left to loot/skim or govern. Like I said, I do believe the American side could let go of/break with Democratic controlled DC, regroup, ratify the American Constitution and reestablish itself as the American nation rather easily these days and leave Washington DC and the Democratic states to their own devices and watch as they quickly deteriorate and implode.

Quote:The district is strongly Democratic with a Cook Partisan Voting Index (CPVI) of D+26—by far the most Democratic district in the state.[5] The 5th is also the most Democratic district in the Upper Midwest. The Minnesota Democratic–Farmer–Labor Party (DFL) has held the seat without interruption since 1963, and the Republicans have not tallied more than 40 percent of the vote in almost half a century.

The district is represented by Ilhan Omar who was born in Somalia, a country in Africa. She is the first Somali American to ever serve in the U.S. House of Representatives, and the first woman of color to represent Minnesota in that chamber. Omar, also an American Muslim, succeeded Keith Ellison, the first American Muslim to serve in Congress after he was elected Minnesota Attorney General.

Quote:Minnesota's 7th congressional district covers the majority of western Minnesota except for a few southern counties in 1st district. It is by far the state's largest district, and has a very rural character. Cities in the district include Moorhead (its largest city), Fergus Falls, Alexandria and Willmar. The district is currently represented by Republican Michelle Fischbach.

Quote:Georgia's 14th congressional district was created following the 2010 Census, when Georgia gained a 14th seat in the U.S. House of Representatives. The district is represented by Republican Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Quote:Population (2019)
732,133[2]
Median household
income
$56,150[2]
Ethnicity

• 77.5% White
  
• 10.8% Hispanic
  
• 8.9% Black
  
• 1.4% Two or more races
  
• 1.0% Asian
  
• 0.4% other
  

Occupation

• 56.58% Blue-collar
  
• 43.42% White-collar
  

Cook PVI
R+28[3]

Quote:Based in central Fulton and parts of DeKalb and Clayton counties, the majority black district includes almost three-fourths of Atlanta, the state capital and largest city. It also includes some of the surrounding suburbs, including East Point, Druid Hills, and Forest Park.[6] With a Cook Partisan Voting Index rating of D+36, it is the most Democratic district in Georgia.

Quote:Nikema Williams
D–Atlanta
Distribution

• 99.97% urban[1]
  
• 0.03% rural
  

Population (2019)
788,996[2]
Median household
income
$60,247[3]
Ethnicity

• 58.5% Black
  
• 28.3% White
  
• 6.5% Hispanic
  
• 4.2% Asian
  
• 1.9% Two or more races
  
• 0.5% other
  

Cook PVI
D+36[4]

(08-16-2021, 07:02 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:06 PM)Classic-Xer Wrote: How many elites and racist or Marxist groups does the Democratic party have you aligned with today? Think about it. I know that's tough for an older man in your condition to do but you really should try to think about it before it's to late and you find yourself at war with most of America.

None.  The red republicans have elitist and racist concerns, though these are not your concerns.  It is the elitists that have pursued sending jobs abroad where a lack of concern for decent wages, benefits and the environment give them superior chance to profit.  It is the racists who were involved in the January 6th insurrection.  Now these are not your primary concern.  You seem to think that the red are for the working man and small government is not a code word for hurting minorities.

But the Constitution favors a government that supports the general welfare.  That translates to spending money on the people.  

Ideally, socialists would do that.  In practice, communists are far more concerned with power than improving life for the common man.  There is no true Marxism.  As I have said to Einzige often enough, Communists tend to replace one elitist class with the Party as a new elitist class.  Communist concerns are not with the general population, not with the general welfare.  Marxism remains an empty threat so long as that problem remains unsolved and nobody trusts revolutions.

But it is the racists who use violence against the government, who wage war against the people.  They currently just want a racist president more than they want democracy.

As I see it, the Democrats are pushing popular desires for the general welfare.  McConnell’s establishment reds note that recently the winners of the presidential election lose ground in the mid terms, especially if they do not fulfill their promises.  He is thus preventing the Democrats from fulfilling their popular promises.  We will see if opposing positive things will win him support.

And meanwhile the racist organizations are quietly plotting violence in support of racism.  At least while they are plotting against the government they are too busy to bother the minorities.  They are winning no friends in government.

None of this has much to anything to do with your delusions of Acirema.  You see a non racist Republican faction which does not favor the elites over the common man.  I just do not see any such faction.

(08-15-2021, 03:56 AM))pbrower2a Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 03:43 PM)Eric the Green Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 02:40 AM)Bob Butler 54 Wrote: 'Acirema' would just be America spelled backwards.  Since Classic uses America, I needed to find a way to clearly talk about his imaginary following.  The reds have problems with aligning with the elites and the racists, but those aren't Classic's hang ups, so I am not sure how else to refer to his delusions?  They are distinct enough from the red that I have to answer the two separately.

Thanks for clarifying. Myself, I don't notice that the reds have much difficulty aligning with the elites and the racists. It seems in fact like they are their two biggest priorities. I can't believe they don't know who they are voting for. Classic Xer for example is a huge fan of trickle-down economics. He knows that he supports the right of the big elite businessmen to be free of government regulation and taxes-- which are the way we liberals keep these elites in bounds-- and he thinks that this trickle-down, anti-welfare policy will help him in his business as a boss also.

The irony is that trickle-down economics might even be bad for his business. Air conditioning is still a luxury in the Twin Cities area as it isn't even so close as Kansas City or St. Louis... maybe even Des Moines. The neoliberal belief in free enterprise in the sense of enterprise having the ability to do whatever it wishes to the Common Man is consistent with freedom for elites and tyranny for the rest. Such is nothing good, and it has been done often. It has never worked well for the Common Man.  It has ensured, though, that some impressive castles and palaces be built!